Stories of gods/DMT release theory

[Xt]

Ive had sleep paralysis and "night terros"(i guess anyway, they tend to call these things night terrors) my entire life and they are NOTHING like DMT..totally different, weird in their own respect though..also I have had many many natural lucid dreams and astral projection type experiences and they are usually unlike DMT as well..more in line with what I read in reguards to ketamine and what I have experienced with caapi only brews..

Quoted for the simple fact that this is how i feel. Some people mention how similar DMT is to dreaming and lucid dreaming, but tbh for me its not even remotely similar.
Ive had lucid dreams, sleep paralysis, pre sleep dreams. I have woken in the night with tryptamine/lsd like visuals (pretty strong and bright too).

But still non of this ever felt remotely like a DMT experience. Ketamine yes... Caapi? I couldn't comment.
I just wanted voice my feelings on how i feel DMT is not tied into my dreaming. At least it doesn't seem that way for me.

 

[TrustLoveMan]

I've read the spirit molecule and I know Strassman says that the pineal gland contains all the enzymes needed for DMT synthesis. He also mentions stress being a trigger for releasing dmt.

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"Strassman found that the volunteers often had experiences similar to near-death experiences (NDEs). "
"Examiner.com: How has your research added to the body of knowledge on NDEs?
Dr. Strassman: DMT levels in lab animals rise with stress, and the NDE is a highly stressful event – so I have proposed that stress-related DMT rises in the NDE, and this may mediate some of its effects. However, this remains speculative, as we don’t know what happens in normal people as they approach death, or die, in terms of endogenous DMT levels. That’s one of the functions of our new assay being developed at LSU to measure endogenous levels of DMT and related compounds.

To the extent exogenous DMT elicits an altered state that shares features with the NDE, perhaps endogenous DMT is involved –e.g., the contact with beings, the out-of-body consciousness, the free-standing nature of the an alternative reality, the incredibly powerful and compelling emotional effects, the conviction that life continues after consciousness separates from the body, the long-term beneficial effects – all of these occur with exogenous DMT, and the NDE – so we just need to learn more about the biology of these states.

It’s likely there is a complicated mix of endogenous compounds mediating the NDE – including DMT, 5-methoxy-DMT, and other related and unrelated compounds, such as ketamine- and salvinorin-like molecules, all of which are capable of eliciting out-of-body and highly novel altered states."
"Examiner.com: Are NDEs, alien abductions and Out of body experiences essentially the same and if not how are they different?
Dr. Strassman: They share features. NDE’s include out of body sensations and contact with “beings.” Alien abductions involved contact with “beings.” Out of body experiences are just that"

I'll admit that Dreams are not like DMT but like I said there could be other chemicals at work. I also believe we have lost valuable information to the past. There are many hieroglyphics that we don't know the meaning to as well as other ancient texts. At least now we can compile this information over a broad spectrum of people and learn more.

 

[benzyme]

"A potent inhibitor of INMT, which is a necessary enzyme for the synthesis of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, is found in particularly high concentrations in the pineal gland. A bypassing or inhibition of the synthesis of this inhibitor might be responsible for trances and other psychedelic states achieved "without drugs" (Strassman 1990)

this is from one of his research papers. feedback inhibition likely occurs in the pathway, since 5-HOIMT is the enzyme, not INMT, expressed in the pineal gland; this enzyme produces products further down in the tryptophan metabolic pathway. the stress-model of DMT production points to other non-neural tissues (lungs, heart, pancreas, adrenals etc.), where INMT has been isolated and identified.

 

[burnt]

I dunno the fact that smoking or eating dmt can induce visions of beings and magical worlds coupled with the fact that its endogenous leads me to believe there is no god and that all religious experience which is the basis of religion is built on a misunderstanding or our own neurochemistry.

 

[TrustLoveMan]

I dunno the fact that smoking or eating dmt can induce visions of beings and magical worlds coupled with the fact that its endogenous leads me to believe there is no god and that all religious experience which is the basis of religion is built on a misunderstanding or our own neurochemistry.

But religion may be part of our neurochemistry. It may break down to genetics.
I do think a lot of old religious experiences are either endogenous or ethnobotanical. I don't think gods exist I think people then perceived anything amazing to be linked to a god/gods.

"A potent inhibitor of INMT, which is a necessary enzyme for the synthesis of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, is found in particularly high concentrations in the pineal gland. A bypassing or inhibition of the synthesis of this inhibitor might be responsible for trances and other psychedelic states achieved "without drugs" (Strassman 1990)

this is from one of his research papers. feedback inhibition likely occurs in the pathway, since 5-HOIMT is the enzyme, not INMT, expressed in the pineal gland; this enzyme produces products further down in the tryptophan metabolic pathway. the stress-model of DMT production points to other non-neural tissues (lungs, heart, pancreas, adrenals etc.), where INMT has been isolated and identified.

Is there anyway in which someone could lack INMT without proper diet and maybe chronic stress? Are their any chemicals that could inhibit INMT from being synthesized or stored?

 

[benzyme]

all religious experience which is the basis of religion is built on a misunderstanding or our own neurochemistry.

more than likely
it's most probable that 'prophesies' originated from altered states, and lack of methods to test the ideas led to religious ideology with fear of repercussions from unexplainable phenomena (forces of nature)

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[TrustLoveMan]

LOL, that's the funniest video Ever. History channel is exactly like that now.

 

[benzyme]

Is there anyway in which someone could lack INMT without proper diet and maybe chronic stress? Are their any chemicals that could inhibit INMT from being synthesized or stored?

it's an enzyme, whose expression is mediated by mRNA and cDNA, just like any other enzyme. mutations in the coding would adversely affect its expression

 

[WandA]

Here's a book tip!

Has anyone else read "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes? I highly recommend it for anyone who has even a remote interest in the spiritual side of psychedelics - not because it's really about psychedelics at all, but the topics tend to interest the same crowd

This is a book which you begin reading thinking you're in for (at best) a trippy "what if" scenario to ponder for a while for entertainment, but you end up somehow being talked over to the writer's side almost completely. He makes a surprisingly strong argument considering how absurd his theory sounds when summarized. (It would sound something like this: "until merely a few thousand years ago, human beings were not self-conscious, and were governed by hallucinations which were a natural product of the way our brains functioned at that time, and this is the origin of all our mythology.)

And even if you don't buy into this at all, the whole book is still a veritable feast full of completely awesome tidbits about how our minds function today.

 

[TrustLoveMan]

Here's a book tip!

Has anyone else read "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes? I highly recommend it for anyone who has even a remote interest in the spiritual side of psychedelics - not because it's really about psychedelics at all, but the topics tend to interest the same crowd

This is a book which you begin reading thinking you're in for (at best) a trippy "what if" scenario to ponder for a while for entertainment, but you end up somehow being talked over to the writer's side almost completely. He makes a surprisingly strong argument considering how absurd his theory sounds when summarized. (It would sound something like this: "until merely a few thousand years ago, human beings were not self-conscious, and were governed by hallucinations which were a natural product of the way our brains functioned at that time, and this is the origin of all our mythology.)

And even if you don't buy into this at all, the whole book is still a veritable feast full of completely awesome tidbits about how our minds function today.

Wow, that seems like a pretty good read. I'll have to get it. I feel like Strassman is also very convincing.