Strange experience, same every time....help!

[chiggy]

Hi everyone!,

I'm hoping someone can help me with these strange DMT experiences, and guide me in the right direction on how to improve them.

I have been into psychedelics for a while now, familiar with 5-meo-dmt, which I have experiences much like in the book tryptamine palace, always nice and lovely, I learn a lot from the experience like on mushrooms. I don't suffer from bad trips, sometimes trips may take a mild negative turn now and then but not negative for long. I have taken high dose mushrooms 60mg fresh and its all been good.

I have taken DMT 6 times at doses of 80mg up to 100 mg, each time I end up in the same place with these strange beings that want my attention, but not in a nice way, and it makes no sense at all. Most of the time there is not much sound from them, but now and then they speak, just in a mischievous way, no seems to be a favorite word. When I try to focus away from them they try to stop me, if I want to take notes about them, they get more aggressive towards me and the experience gets worse. At the end of the peak however I have been in a nice empty space like space but more hazy, with other non communicative entity's, which showed no aggression towards me.

I am very confused about DMT especially when I end up in the same place each time. And these entities that lots of people talk about being friendly seem non friendly and just seem to have fun at my expense.

Am i alone in this kind of experience or have other people had this ?

Is it that even at 80mg - 100mg I did not break through, and I was experiencing other entity's on the way who were more demonic ?

Thanks,

Chiggy

 

[Tequiza]

80-100mg freebase is a large dose, how are you smoking it?

As for your experiences, I believe these things are highly independent and personal. What was your set and setting like?

 

[Eliyahu]

Hi chiggy,

I believe your taking too much there. Your forcing your brain to recieve something it's not ready for....

I would highly suggest familiarizing yourself with meditative practices in order to put your mind and awareness in more of an accepting state if your not already doing so.

You should be able to get to a hyperspace where entities are friendly with no more than 30-40mg. Personally I only need about 15-20 to get me there...

You may want to try some caapi heavy Ayahusca to put you in a more comfortable head space.

 

[chiggy]

Hi Tequiza,

I am using a very small water pipe with 2 layers of gauze underneath the DMT and 1 layer on top and heating the gauze trying not to burn the dmt.

I first took it in my living room and experienced these beings, they were interesting at first sort of naughty but not so bad.

The last time I tried I was lying down on my bed and took roughly the same amount 80 maybe 90 mg, but this time it was much more uncomfortable, they really seemed to have fun at my expense. The whole thing was very alien like.

I am very careful with setting on all psychedelics.

Thanks,

Chiggy.

 

[URBY]

Im going to up and say it.

As an individual named David Icke is saying, there is a malevolent force that is interacting with us as a race. Dmt has to do with our pineal gland, our "dimensional tuner". Just as an AM/FM radio tunes into different stations, our pineal tunes into different levels of reality/conciousness/being.

These ill intending entities dont want us ascending. WE ARE ASCENDING.

What you are experiencing is literal spiritual repression. LITERALLY.

Hold love in your heart and tell them to LEAVE YOU ALONE. They must obey our divine will. They can wear very unfriendly and scary faces but DO NOT FEAR THEM!

They can only do us harm if we LET them.

Noone has to believe me. I tell you with every fiber of my being it is truth.

Make your own conclusion. This mine

 

[chiggy]

Hi Eliyahu,

Thanks for that,

I am familiar with transandental mediatation although I have not practiced for a year now, should I do this for 20 minutes before the trip and try 30 - 40mg ?

I am familiar with Ayahusca, the sickness aspect was much worse for me than mushrooms. Would taking a caapi solution 30 min to 1hr before than smoking dmt make the experience more pleasant ? at the lower 30-40mg dosage of DMT ?

Thanks.

Chiggy

 

[URBY]

Addendum

I feel that the non-hostile group in the haze you describe is a group of your "peers" or "guides" that wish to help you as best they can in the "interference" being placed by the others.

Please read my other postings... These unfriendly entities are something that has been brought to my attention by the experiences I have been having lately. Not an easy thing to admit or bring up in a public eye but there it is

 

[enigmatic]

Im going to up and say it.

As an individual named David Icke is saying, there is a malevolent force that is interacting with us as a race. Dmt has to do with our pineal gland, our "dimensional tuner". Just as an AM/FM radio tunes into different stations, our pineal tunes into different levels of reality/conciousness/being.

These ill intending entities dont want us ascending. WE ARE ASCENDING.

What you are experiencing is literal spiritual repression. LITERALLY.

Hold love in your heart and tell them to LEAVE YOU ALONE. They must obey our divine will. They can wear very unfriendly and scary faces but DO NOT FEAR THEM!

They can only do us harm if we LET them.

Noone has to believe me. I tell you with every fiber of my being it is truth.

Make your own conclusion. This mine

it would seem necessary wouldnt it? does balance not trump all/most perceivable forces within "existence"? if we travel down the ascension end of the spectrum... the other end must expand as well? what if one were to transcend ascension/descension all together? make a zero out of that spectrum by attaining "perfect" balance in line with intention/purpose? transcendence of predispositions all together? to a point where "that" is devoid of any sliver of subjective representation?

taking the whole "dont give into astonishment" a few steps further... the "take it in without giving thought to what "it" is"?

 

[URBY]

taking the whole "dont give into astonishment" a few steps further... the "take it in without giving thought to what "it" is"?

In this density where duality exists...yes.

 

[enigmatic]

taking the whole "dont give into astonishment" a few steps further... the "take it in without giving thought to what "it" is"?

In this density where duality exists...yes.

basic concept of 1... perception in 2... theoretical in 3

everything we see is 2d... we conceptualize it as 3d ... we personify it as 1d (one thing, one experience, one moment)


even levels with triality quadality.... may have basics of high med low?... 3 main levels... and branches stem from there? there is some significance to concept of 3.. in this existence at least?

one becomes two... all together is 3... or 4?

 

[Felnik]

Too much complications I,m reading here .

Try a simple approach , if you don't like what's happening , chant a simple repeating melody steady with gusto . Hold your ground strong . The offending thing will dissipate . Get different things . We have more control than we realize

Build your own shamanic techniques .

The mushroom is showing me tricks to deal with some of these intense entity things .

 

[URBY]

Thank you for Felnik bringing us back to this threads point.

you worded what to "practice" in the situation better than my reply opening with "Ill just up and say it".

Surround yourself with your own love. Chant, sing, hum... This is immensely powerful advice.

Thank you again for bringing this conversation back to its core

 

[chiggy]

Hi Felnik,

Thanks, I will try chanting, sounds like a good plan, along with getting back into my meditation practice.

I will also ask the mushroom next time.

One other question for everyone, I don't fully understand, I based my dosage level at 80mg because of Terrance Mckenna's recommendation of 80mg for breakthrough. Is this dosage too high for most or is his advice still correct.

Many thanks,

Chiggy.

 

[Felnik]

That dosage sounds high to me .

I find easing in is a better technique . Also adding caapi tea or harmala of some sort beforehand .

This all or nothing approach everyone seems to believe is not the only way to go .

If your significantly
Tweeked on caapi easing in with small doses is very effective and will take you as deep as you need to go .

 

[onyx]

hey there,
Take a day and clean the house listen to a good music that makes your heart happy,
and when you are done call a good friend to be with you.. set yourself comfortable on a bad in your room and prepare a bowl with 50 mg. while you in the room ask your friend that when you are done smoking he will take the bowl from your hands and will turn off the lights and then lie comfortable on the bed.. when you smoke dont let the fire touch or burn you dmt but vaporize it..then it makes pure dmt crystals and you will brackthrugh. Dont be afraid at the begging cause it can influence your trip and its a bit harsh and noisy but then you will enjoy every moment and the beings wont be s aggresive but they will embrace you with their light.
Do it like I said and tell me afterwards how it was..I promise you it will be amazing

 

[chiggy]

Hi,

Thanks Felnik and Onyx for you great advice.

I tried Pharmahuasca this weekend, (DMT with Caapi tea). It was very nice, I like DMT in this way. Very strong visions, of past, future, other reality's/dimensions, strangely, even other peoples memories...I think, I am still integrating it all. Wow!

I think my path to enjoying DMT on its own will take some time.

The mediation advice I am implementing every day, and have seen good benefits again. I don't know why I ever stopped.

Chiggy.