Strange yield

[PootisSpencer]

PICTURES:

https://imgur.com/a/IsFFfZd

I did 1st time extraction using Lazyman's Tek with 50g powdered MHRB.

I did as follows...

- Created Lye/MHRB solution and let it sit for 3 days.

- added naptha, stirred the mix and pulled with a syringe after 30 mins

- evaporated the solvent on a glass baking dish.

- repeated step 2/3 twice.



I got something strange (though white) and its not as much as it should be (see pictures)

If anyone could help with this I would greatly appreciate that.

 

[DreadedShaman]

Really hard to tell from pics.... Kind of resembles Dmt-acetate if you ask me but I'd need to smell it too which I can't through a computer lol.

Some advice though, get everything hot with a water bath when doing your mixing/pulling. Then put the naptha that's been pulled into the freezer, very little evaporation needed.

Plenty of teks in the forum..

 

[pete666]

yeah, don't use evaporation, use freeze-precipitation instead

 

[rewindtothestart]

It shouldn't be acetate if it was pulled from a strongly based jar. Have you verified that the naphtha is pure via the evaporation test? The smell would definitely give it away if it's freebase. Freebase has a distinct jasmine smell (some say it smells like mothballs). Acetate has a slight sour note that I think smells sharp, and rough. Freebase will usually, but not always harden/crystallize some the longer it is set out to dry. That honestly looks like a bunch of DMT/NMT goo to me. Have you scraped it up and weighed it? It's impossible to say just by looking at it, but I would guess it's close to 50-100mg. I've never done an extraction with less than 200g of bark, but you're probably going to get about .5g (500mg) total, maybe a bit more or less depending on the bark quality/type, and extraction method.

 

[endlessness]

Looks fine to me, but pictures don't mean too much..... please check this FAQ entry:

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Hey PootisSpencer,

Others have mentioned some suggestions, but I think the issue may be the method of stirring and the duration of each pull.

I tend to favor one or two large pulls, which are vigorously stirred or shaken. I, personally, don't use heat during pulls due to increased chance of pulling plant oils or fats. But, I do TRY to make an emulsion. I know that both of these things may seem counter intuitive to suggestions by others, but I have my reasons.

The first thing I consider is surface area exposure. In order for the DMT to transfer from the aqueous to the organic layer, then there's going to need to be sufficient surface area exposure. Gentle stirring does not allow the solvent to come in contact with the majority of the base soup. People often suggest gentle stirring, or gentle inversion of the extraction vessel, to avoid creating an emulsion. This is because emulsions often take a long time to separate into two distinct layers. However, with patience the layers will separate. By the creation of of an emulsion, you're actually creating greater surface area exposure, and allowing more DMT to transfer into your solvent. Vigorous mixing, in the absence of heat, has consistently produced fairly decent yields from a single pull.

I have documented an experiment which I was able to achieve a yield of roughly 1.4% from a single pull. The chemistry is no different from any other Tek, but I allowed the two layers to form an emulsion for a prolonged duration of time. Once they'd separated, I decanted the organic layer and allowed freeze precipitation of the DMT. Due to the lack of heat, there where minimal amounts of oily residue (nearly nonexistent.)

If you still have the base soup, you may want to try an additional pull to see if there is any remaining DMT. This time, it may be worth vigorous mixing of the two layers.

Take care,
ACY

 

[PootisSpencer]

Hey PootisSpencer,

Others have mentioned some suggestions, but I think the issue may be the method of stirring and the duration of each pull.

I tend to favor one or two large pulls, which are vigorously stirred or shaken. I, personally, don't use heat during pulls due to increased chance of pulling plant oils or fats. But, I do TRY to make an emulsion. I know that both of these things may seem counter intuitive to suggestions by others, but I have my reasons.

The first thing I consider is surface area exposure. In order for the DMT to transfer from the aqueous to the organic layer, then there's going to need to be sufficient surface area exposure. Gentle stirring does not allow the solvent to come in contact with the majority of the base soup. People often suggest gentle stirring, or gentle inversion of the extraction vessel, to avoid creating an emulsion. This is because emulsions often take a long time to separate into two distinct layers. However, with patience the layers will separate. By the creation of of an emulsion, you're actually creating greater surface area exposure, and allowing more DMT to transfer into your solvent. Vigorous mixing, in the absence of heat, has consistently produced fairly decent yields from a single pull.

I have documented an experiment which I was able to achieve a yield of roughly 1.4% from a single pull. The chemistry is no different from any other Tek, but I allowed the two layers to form an emulsion for a prolonged duration of time. Once they'd separated, I decanted the organic layer and allowed freeze precipitation of the DMT. Due to the lack of heat, there where minimal amounts of oily residue (nearly nonexistent.)

If you still have the base soup, you may want to try an additional pull to see if there is any remaining DMT. This time, it may be worth vigorous mixing of the two layers.

Take care,
ACY

Thanks for ur answer.
However I use a weckpot it will leak a lot if I shake it/ hold it upside down.

 

[PootisSpencer]

It shouldn't be acetate if it was pulled from a strongly based jar. Have you verified that the naphtha is pure via the evaporation test? The smell would definitely give it away if it's freebase. Freebase has a distinct jasmine smell (some say it smells like mothballs). Acetate has a slight sour note that I think smells sharp, and rough. Freebase will usually, but not always harden/crystallize some the longer it is set out to dry. That honestly looks like a bunch of DMT/NMT goo to me. Have you scraped it up and weighed it? It's impossible to say just by looking at it, but I would guess it's close to 50-100mg. I've never done an extraction with less than 200g of bark, but you're probably going to get about .5g (500mg) total, maybe a bit more or less depending on the bark quality/type, and extraction method.

I use petroleum ether instead of naptha. Is this a problem?
I scraped it off but it wasnt much.
I guess the freeze precip method is better than evaporation.

 

[pete666]

Petroleum ether is ok.

 

[kingn3eo]

Hey PootisSpencer,

Others have mentioned some suggestions, but I think the issue may be the method of stirring and the duration of each pull.

I tend to favor one or two large pulls, which are vigorously stirred or shaken. I, personally, don't use heat during pulls due to increased chance of pulling plant oils or fats. But, I do TRY to make an emulsion. I know that both of these things may seem counter intuitive to suggestions by others, but I have my reasons.

The first thing I consider is surface area exposure. In order for the DMT to transfer from the aqueous to the organic layer, then there's going to need to be sufficient surface area exposure. Gentle stirring does not allow the solvent to come in contact with the majority of the base soup. People often suggest gentle stirring, or gentle inversion of the extraction vessel, to avoid creating an emulsion. This is because emulsions often take a long time to separate into two distinct layers. However, with patience the layers will separate. By the creation of of an emulsion, you're actually creating greater surface area exposure, and allowing more DMT to transfer into your solvent. Vigorous mixing, in the absence of heat, has consistently produced fairly decent yields from a single pull.

I have documented an experiment which I was able to achieve a yield of roughly 1.4% from a single pull. The chemistry is no different from any other Tek, but I allowed the two layers to form an emulsion for a prolonged duration of time. Once they'd separated, I decanted the organic layer and allowed freeze precipitation of the DMT. Due to the lack of heat, there where minimal amounts of oily residue (nearly nonexistent.)

If you still have the base soup, you may want to try an additional pull to see if there is any remaining DMT. This time, it may be worth vigorous mixing of the two layers.

Take care,
ACY

Agreed. I just had a very successful experience going stb, instead of heat baths and room temp, I only had my mixing jar inside for the lye/mhrb mixing, then brought it into the garage(at or near freezing) and I do shake VERY well when adding naphtha.
I've found working in cold temps makes the little brown specs freeze before the spice crystalizes in my collection jars, so I can just pull the naphtha from the jar after a second and use a spatula to get the(if any) drops of sludge out. Honestly though with lots of patience I find It easy to separate even with the emulsion issue.
Those are just my thoughts haha thank you all.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I scraped it off but it wasnt much.

This is probably due to insufficient mixing of the solvent with the base soup. More and better-mixed pulls will sort this out. If it doesn't, then it's the bark.

And was it not much by weight or simply by appearance? You'd perhaps be surprised at how little space a few good doses of DMT can take up.