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Hello. As a first time extractor I am struggling a bit. Maybe just too many variables at this point but maybe someone can offer me some insight.
First try: 50g MHRB powder and un-named solvent whose msds reads: "Solvent Naphtha Heavy Aromatic 95%/Med Aliphatic 5%". Its a clear yellow liquid. I start with Noman's Tek. I kept the solvent in a warm crockpot bath win between mixes and pulls. Pulls are slightly cloudy but not too much, more clear. Sometimes the gaps were substantial (like an hour or so). Nevertheless, it all seems to go well, bit tricky after the freezer as the first filter paper I tried was too dense, naphtha pooled. Quickly changed to cooking oil filter and the naphtha went through. After drying everything I got about .38g crystals - white, tinged with yellow and some golden brown goo. OK. Not too bad I think. Lost a bit in the filters and probably re-dissolving in solvent etc. Coulda been more dilligent and careful. But maybe I can get more yield?
(Not sure how to attach pics but if successful -> pics 1-11)
Try #2: Cyb's Max Ion Tek. Same MHRB, but now a different solvent. Another name product whose MSDS says exactly the same as before. Except its clear, not yellow. Didn't think too much of that. But now I follow the tek and I'm not too sure about how much to heat the bottle of basified. I read that maybe too much heat is pulling too much other stuff and hence the color/goo. OK so just heat the solvent this time. From very first pull it is very cloudy opaque yellow? Haven't seen this before. Maybe its the salt? No worries, I continue with this. Until I pull the jars out of the freezer. They're frozen! Not very hard though. When I open the jar I cant pour anything off. Its solid to slushy?! I put it back and wait another day and a half. Same thing. As it melts I see soupy white stuff floating around inside. like satuated dumpling dough. I try to pour it through a filter, it all goes through. The dumpling lookiung stuff too. Its gone back into the soupy liquid solvent. The little stuff that remains on the bottom of the jars liquified within a minute or three. No use in front of the fan it just liquified. Now what? Well, try evaporation. That took forever. Days and days. The opaque fluid became clear in about an hour but in the end there is just thick yellow oil. Out of six pulls. Most disappointing. I put it down to the naphtha not necessarily being what the MSDS said it was. Oh well, I'll figure out later what to do with the oil.
(Pics 12-14)
I get some lighter fluid to use as the solvent and start again with Cyb Max Ion and another 50g MHRB. This time the pulls aren't cloudy at all. No heating of the basified, just the solvent. Do six pulls and into the freezer in dishes this time. Now this works a lot better than last time but there's much less yield - about .2g but much more yellow than via Noman's on my first attempt. WTF? Cyb's is supposed to give more yield than Noman? Okay, must be me again. The thing is, this time it was easier to decant the solvent and dry what crystals there were. Pretty much like the pics I see how but just not so much crystal. Well, better than last time but way worse than first time.
(Pics 15-16)
Maybe there's still some left in the basified that the lighter fluid didn't pull? Did 2 x 50ml of my yellow heavy Naptha. Again it's extremely cloudy. But slowly cooled and in a jar and into the freezer. Two days. I pull it out and joy! There's all sorts of white stuff floating in it like the first time! I decant, but this time only had a coffee filter. Its too dense and most of the stuff evaporates in front of me back into solvent liquid and that into the filter. Oh well, there's a nice layer of white on the bottom (last pic - moments before it melted). I rush to get the fan going but no go, it melts and becomes a milky solvent mess again. I put all solvent I can gather, heat and soak the filter with fresh hot solvent in hopes of leaching whatever's in there and put it all into a dish rather than bottle this time. Its evaporating now to reduce a bit and then it'll go back into the freezer. I know there's spice in there! Hopefully I'll get it.
tl,dr;
My heavy "naphtha" solvent seems to be far more successful at pulling than the lighter fluid. But the last phase of out the freezer is just failing badly. There is no time to get dry crystals. It all liquifies very fast. And if I evaporate, well, then I get yellow oil.
I don't really know what to do about this? I have some other solvents to try but then I'm introducing even more forks and variables. If the heavy naphtha evaporated like the lighter fluid it would be perfect it seems. Maybe its just not compatible with Cyb's tek and I should go back to Noman? That wasn't perfect but it wasn't this milky solvent and it was easier to filter at least the bulk of spice obtained. Or do I try other solvents and stick with Cyb's tek?
I'm really unsure about how to proceed from here. I still have some MHRB and willing to fail more if I learn along the way, but maybe someone has some pointers or can point to some issues? I know theres not a lot of detail as I don't want to make this sooo long!
Right now I'm hoping the spice sticks to the dish better than the bottle. And if successfull I will mine the basified for more.
But maybe I should use some process like mini-a/b on the cloudy naphtha and then re-pull with the lighter one?
Anyone?
tia
First try: 50g MHRB powder and un-named solvent whose msds reads: "Solvent Naphtha Heavy Aromatic 95%/Med Aliphatic 5%". Its a clear yellow liquid. I start with Noman's Tek. I kept the solvent in a warm crockpot bath win between mixes and pulls. Pulls are slightly cloudy but not too much, more clear. Sometimes the gaps were substantial (like an hour or so). Nevertheless, it all seems to go well, bit tricky after the freezer as the first filter paper I tried was too dense, naphtha pooled. Quickly changed to cooking oil filter and the naphtha went through. After drying everything I got about .38g crystals - white, tinged with yellow and some golden brown goo. OK. Not too bad I think. Lost a bit in the filters and probably re-dissolving in solvent etc. Coulda been more dilligent and careful. But maybe I can get more yield?
(Not sure how to attach pics but if successful -> pics 1-11)
Try #2: Cyb's Max Ion Tek. Same MHRB, but now a different solvent. Another name product whose MSDS says exactly the same as before. Except its clear, not yellow. Didn't think too much of that. But now I follow the tek and I'm not too sure about how much to heat the bottle of basified. I read that maybe too much heat is pulling too much other stuff and hence the color/goo. OK so just heat the solvent this time. From very first pull it is very cloudy opaque yellow? Haven't seen this before. Maybe its the salt? No worries, I continue with this. Until I pull the jars out of the freezer. They're frozen! Not very hard though. When I open the jar I cant pour anything off. Its solid to slushy?! I put it back and wait another day and a half. Same thing. As it melts I see soupy white stuff floating around inside. like satuated dumpling dough. I try to pour it through a filter, it all goes through. The dumpling lookiung stuff too. Its gone back into the soupy liquid solvent. The little stuff that remains on the bottom of the jars liquified within a minute or three. No use in front of the fan it just liquified. Now what? Well, try evaporation. That took forever. Days and days. The opaque fluid became clear in about an hour but in the end there is just thick yellow oil. Out of six pulls. Most disappointing. I put it down to the naphtha not necessarily being what the MSDS said it was. Oh well, I'll figure out later what to do with the oil.
(Pics 12-14)
I get some lighter fluid to use as the solvent and start again with Cyb Max Ion and another 50g MHRB. This time the pulls aren't cloudy at all. No heating of the basified, just the solvent. Do six pulls and into the freezer in dishes this time. Now this works a lot better than last time but there's much less yield - about .2g but much more yellow than via Noman's on my first attempt. WTF? Cyb's is supposed to give more yield than Noman? Okay, must be me again. The thing is, this time it was easier to decant the solvent and dry what crystals there were. Pretty much like the pics I see how but just not so much crystal. Well, better than last time but way worse than first time.
(Pics 15-16)
Maybe there's still some left in the basified that the lighter fluid didn't pull? Did 2 x 50ml of my yellow heavy Naptha. Again it's extremely cloudy. But slowly cooled and in a jar and into the freezer. Two days. I pull it out and joy! There's all sorts of white stuff floating in it like the first time! I decant, but this time only had a coffee filter. Its too dense and most of the stuff evaporates in front of me back into solvent liquid and that into the filter. Oh well, there's a nice layer of white on the bottom (last pic - moments before it melted). I rush to get the fan going but no go, it melts and becomes a milky solvent mess again. I put all solvent I can gather, heat and soak the filter with fresh hot solvent in hopes of leaching whatever's in there and put it all into a dish rather than bottle this time. Its evaporating now to reduce a bit and then it'll go back into the freezer. I know there's spice in there! Hopefully I'll get it.
tl,dr;
My heavy "naphtha" solvent seems to be far more successful at pulling than the lighter fluid. But the last phase of out the freezer is just failing badly. There is no time to get dry crystals. It all liquifies very fast. And if I evaporate, well, then I get yellow oil.
I don't really know what to do about this? I have some other solvents to try but then I'm introducing even more forks and variables. If the heavy naphtha evaporated like the lighter fluid it would be perfect it seems. Maybe its just not compatible with Cyb's tek and I should go back to Noman? That wasn't perfect but it wasn't this milky solvent and it was easier to filter at least the bulk of spice obtained. Or do I try other solvents and stick with Cyb's tek?
I'm really unsure about how to proceed from here. I still have some MHRB and willing to fail more if I learn along the way, but maybe someone has some pointers or can point to some issues? I know theres not a lot of detail as I don't want to make this sooo long!
Right now I'm hoping the spice sticks to the dish better than the bottle. And if successfull I will mine the basified for more.
But maybe I should use some process like mini-a/b on the cloudy naphtha and then re-pull with the lighter one?
Anyone?
tia
