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Sublingual Harmala + sublingual DMT?

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Hello fellow Nexians, I bear news about the candyhuasca™!

TL, DR: it works, it's simple, it tastes bad no matter what you put into it, but better than rue tea and mimosa brew. It's handy because it stays put under your tongue, though.

Soooo... A brief recap: I had 1.6g of DMT benzoate left after converting 2.5g to citrate for vaping in e-cig, and I wanted to make some candies together with harmalas for mild sublingual ayahuasca, more like priming for extended vaping sessions. The way I conceived it, executed it and bioassayed it is convergent with this view, but the idea is scalable to larger doses and lends itself to pharmahuasca-like experiences.

Last week I extracted some harmalas and ended up with roughly 7.2g of HCl salts and 5g of freebase (from 200g seeds). I decided I wanted to make harmala-only candies with the HCl salts for better solubility and harmala+DMT candies with freebase harmala and DMT benzoate. In the recipe there's quite an amount of citric acid though, so nothing is really freebase in the finished product.

I chose 40mg harmala HCl (34mg freebase) as a dosage, with the idea of cutting the candy in half for milder/shorter vaping sessions, or keeping it whole for >1 hour and/or adding DMT sublingually later.

I went with 30mg harmala freebase + 40mg DMT benzoate (24mg FB) for the actual candyhuasca candies, with the same idea of modularity as above.

The way I envision it is, if we call the harmala candy H, the combo candy HD and vaping V, that you can have multiple "levels" with varying intensity and duration.
For example:
Level 1 = 1/2H + V = 30-60 minutes super manageble experience where you decide how much to vape.
Level 2 = 1H + V = more of the above like 90 minutes, slightly deeper.
Level 3 = 1H + 1HD + V = on the edge of vaporhuasca toward pharmahuasca.
And so on until you reach 1H + 4HD (~150mg harmala + 100mg DMT) that qualifies for an involving journey.

RECIPES for 40 pieces:

Harmala only:
-45 g of sugar
-7g of corn starch
-10 mL of raspberry syrup
-5 mL olive oil
-400mg menthol crystals
-800mg of L-arginine
-2g of citric acid
-1.6g of mixed harmala HCl (more if only harmine?)
-15 mL of water
-5 mL ethanol

Mix the sugar with the corn starch in a breakfast bowl until homogeneous, add your raspberry syrup (or whatever flavour you fancy, it's a bit pointless because the end result is bitter anyway), the olive oil and mix well. In a shot glass or similar dissolve your harmalas in the water, add citric acid, dissolve and add the L-arginine. Once ready mix with the rest in the bowl.
Set your microwave to 700-750 watts and heat the mixture until it bubbles in a way that tells you the sugar has caramelized. I do 30 seconds bursts and observe how the foam/bubbles settle, when they do not settle right away or in a matter of seconds, it is ready. While you do this, dissolve the menthol crystals in ethanol.
When your candy dough is ready place it in a double boiler, quickly add the mentholated ethanol while stirring and with a teaspoon transfer a gullop of dough on parchment paper. Don't make them too big, you need 40 of them and you can always go back and add on top, they're not going to be pretty but function over form right?

Harmala + DMT:

-40 g of sugar
-10g of corn starch
-10 mL of elderberry flowers syrup
-5 mL olive oil
-400mg menthol crystals
-800mg of L-arginine
-3g of citric acid
-1.2g of mixed harmala freebase (more if only harmine?)
-1.6g DMT benzoate (or any other salt equivalent to 1g freebase)
-15 mL of water
-15 mL ethanol

Proceed exactly as before but this time use the ethanol to dissolve both menthol and DMT. It might need some heat like 15 seconds in the microwave, DO NOT add the DMT before caramelizing the sugar mix, add it once you have it in the double boiler. The excess ethanol is going to boil away in a matter of seconds.

Strikingly they became both the same dark purple color despite elderberry flowers syrup being light yellow.

They solidify to a hard candy and the best thing is to store them in a jar with a 3:1 mixture of powdered sugar:citric acid for coating them. I put mine in the fridge.

They taste like the actives they contain, not pleasant in the least, but they stay put under the tongue for more than 10 minutes and a quick rinse with some acidic juice cleaned my mouth with no discomfort left. In a proper tin box they are stealth and one can carry a shitload of fun with just what looks like homemade lozenges and a e-cig pod.

I bioassayed levels 1-2-3 and can confirm they work very well. If one has a silicon mould for gummies/candies it would be even better, it is sufficient to calculate the total volume and multiply it for 1.3-1.4 to have a rough estimate of the amounts needed. My recipe is for 1.8-2 mL each candy, so if you have 2mL moulds just increase by 5-10% the non-active ingredients and you are in the ballpark.

Hope this inspires some experimentation.

Cheers
 
This is excellent stuff.
Do the menthol and/or aginine serve a specific purpose in the recipe?
Thanks :)
Yes indeed, they're there for a reason, menthol is for taste masking (not very effective) and for reclaiming blood in the mucosal capillaries. Arginine supposedly sustains this blood flow by promoting local production of nitric oxide und thus vasodilation. I figured that in the 10-20 minutes it stays there it might very well happen. I wouldn't deem them essential but I had them around so why not.

Cheers
 
After some days of staying in the fridge submerged by powdered sugar and citric acid, the taste is not as bad as it was! Maybe I'm getting accostumed to the bitterness, but now it's highly bearable.
 
This is great!

At the very least if it stays put under the tongue and the mouth does not pool with saliva it is a great improvement over powder under the tongue.

I'm assuming one can also do it with easily obtainable dmt acetate goo.

Thank you for trying this and making a kitchen friendly recipe.
 
This is great!

At the very least if it stays put under the tongue and the mouth does not pool with saliva it is a great improvement over powder under the tongue.

I'm assuming one can also do it with easily obtainable dmt acetate goo.

Thank you for trying this and making a kitchen friendly recipe.
Yes the acetate goo will work no problem and even freebase, provided a suitable amount of citric acid (excess) is added. With freebase one can dissolve it in ethanol and then add the citric acid that is also soluble in ethanol.

Cheers
 
Very cool.

Please describe effects and timeline?
Well, I'm a bit on the tolerant side when it comes to psychedelics, meaning that 150 micrograms of LSD don't do much, need at least 4g of liberty caps and 80-100 mg of spice for proper breakthrough. This not to brag, on the contrary! Just FYI that the effects I experience might be very different from other people's. My GF for example needs less than half even if she weighs just 20% less.

That said, Level 1, that is 17mg sublingual H + vaping DMT citrate, brings me in a very meditative state, with very mild CEV and no OEV except for visual distortion, for about 30 minutes. This by vaping around 50mg freebase equivalent (I always weigh my pod before and after and convert to FB, but I'm not 100% positive I know the exact amount of actually vaped DMT, I might be leaving/burning some in the atomizer, need to experiment more with ohm and wattage).
Level 2 (35mg H + vaping) brings me a couple of steps further with the same amount vaped, more interesting CEV, yet no "entities", purely geometrical and colorful. This lasts about the same 30 minutes, but if I vape again, just one puff brings me back up for an additional 10-15 minutes. The afterglow is longer and the meditative state/necessity to keep eyes closed and stay seated or lay down lasts around 1 hour. Last saturday I was left semi-catatonic for 90 minutes, I might have slept a bit without realizing (my GF told me my breathing patterns seemed sleep-like).
Level 3 (35mg H + 25mg DMT sublingual + vaping) is not excessively different from level 2. CEV and catatonia last about the same but some peripheral effects like sensitivity to light/mild body load are around for a couple of hours.

All in all I think level 2 Is my favourite for a relatively mild, decompressing session.
I must say that I find little use in the proper breakthrough, I experienced it only 3 times by vaping large amounts of FB in a GVG, I met only one entity (a Golden goddess) and I was so astonished that I did not percieve anything that I could integrate afterwards. Level 2 keeps some tiresome muscular side effects at bay (tension/weight on my face, for me its typical, curious about others) and allows great introspection that ultimately is my goal, I'm past the "for fun" zone and deep into the "medicinal" approach.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

EDIT to add: my e-cig is a geekvape wenax Q pro, with the air valve open and a 0.4 ohm pod on 25watts, it allows for 10 seconds puffs of roughly 25-30mg of liquid, that is 7-10mg of spice per puff. During my sessions I usually do 3 consecutive puffs holding each one at least 10 seconds, then I assess where I'm headed and do 1-2 additional puffs. Gluttony kicks in around the 30th minute and I oblige with another 1-2 puffs. On average I consume 170mg of juice (50mg of spice), but not every day is the same, yesterday I needed 255mg (75mg spice) for what I call an underwhelming experience.
 
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Thank you.

I think our experiences correlate well. I usually do about 50-120 mg (freebase equiv) of Harmala and of Deemis each in an all night ad hoc redosing every 50 mins session. That will be chaotically split into half doing sublinguals and the other half trying to e-changa (I also don't think everything is actually aerosolized or absorbed by this method). I would measure it as lvl 2 mostly as well, with some rare lvl 3 peaks where cevs turn 3D for a while.

Lately I feel more comfortable with a single 70+70 up to the 120+90 h : d for a guaranteed 1 and half hour lvl3+ strong ayahuasca like session instead of a light all night long chilling. But it drains resources too fast.

Compare that to a a single 20-25 mg D only intramuscular which consistently leads to lvl 3+ effects within an hour. On those deeper bioassays I do find myself clenching jaw sometimes.

I don't like heat vaporizing freebase as it usually ends too fast and leaves me longing for more after the usual shellshock. It does hit effectively well and the comeup ride is always amazing, and that is the only route to get that experience.

Your candyhuasca interests me a lot, there is a limit to how much acidic powder you can keep in the mouth at once and a lozenge might just cut it.
 
Dear Ruffles,
I find your reply very useful! I might try your 70+70 ÷ 120+90 soon, maybe starting from the lower side and keeping the vape on hand for going deeper if/as needed.

For the candyhuasca, you can start with 1/4 of the amounts in my recipe, easier to handle and good for 8-10 candies. It takes 15 minutes from start to finish, just prepare everything weighted in advance. If you microwave them too little and they do not solidify, you can scrape them up from the parchment paper and hit them again with 30s bursts (ask me how I know it ;) )
Cheers
 
I'm following up with some more experimental results.

I tried a different recipe for the sublingual harmalas because I was under the impression that the lozenges took to much to dissolve due to the caramelized sugar. I came up with a fast dissolving pill but I didn't notice any change in effectiveness, the only thing I notice is that I feel the effects of the harmalas in a more obvious way after around 10 minutes, but come time to vape the spice I cannot discerne any difference. Ah, and they taste even worse, just so you know.
The recipe for 1 pill is:

35mg mixed harmalas (rue) freebase
45mg anhydrous citric acid
5mg menthol
700mg mannitol
100mg sorbitol
200mg maltodextrin
Water as needed
Ethanol as needed

Mix harmalas and citric acid, dissolve with few drops of water, make a paste. Dissolve menthol in minimal ethanol, add to the paste and mix. Add the mannitol etc while mixing and regulate the thickness of the past with equal amounts of water and ethanol. Keep it on the dry side and form it into a worm on a piece of parchment paper, cut the worm with a oiled knife into as many pieces as you need. Dry in ventilated oven at 50C until hard enough to handle.
What I concluded is that arginine is not necessary. These pills are really bitter but they reclaim way less saliva and I feel like it's a valid compromise.

Re: vaping, if one uses a cotton wick system of any sort (coil, mesh, sub-ohm, rebuildable, whatever) there's no point in avoiding VG. It does so well with avoiding leakage and delivering a smooth vapour, that I cannot think about going back to pure PG. Granted, with ceramic carts and impossible ratios it's a different story, but I'm not pursueing that stategy, I want calm, granularity, good taste.
Currently I'm doing long/slow tokes on a 0.8 ohm wenax Q pod at 16W with a juice that is 1.5:1:0.6 DMTcitrate*: PG:VG with 1% menthol.

* I start from the citrate, not the freebase. Since I obtain it in and aqueous medium, it is the bisDMT-citrate and 1.5g of It equals about 1g of freebase.

Cheers
 
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What are the effects you feel of harmalas?

I feel a certain warmth on the back of my neck at 10-15 mins.
I don't know if it is due to the high harmaline content of my extraction, but I feel some sort of pleasing dizzyness for 5 minutes or so. Light-headedness and mild relaxation and yeah that feeling at the head-neck junction that usually happens when I listen to people with calming/soothing voices.
 
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