Suddenly not achiving desired effects anymore, perma tolerance?

[Pzykonauten]

Hello, this is my first time posting here. Been reading alot different posts and treads since i started experementing with DMT about 4 months ago. This is really a great forum with an impressive amount of good information, that have helped me alot while exploring the molecule.

I got some questions about permanent tolerance, or not achiving visual effect anymore.

I spent quite a while perfecting a way of smoking spice. I settled on the machine after many methods. When i started using the machine i could achive sub breaktroughs on 20-25mg.
Fast forward a couple months, it suddenly stopped working, visually at least. Tried to increase dose up to 35mg, and the only effect i got was the loud humming and intense bodyload.
Really disappointed i decided to take a month break and ordered the VG

Tried again a few days ago in the VG, loaded it with 25mg and took a couple big hits. And still having trouble achiving visual effect.. pretty intense bodyload but still not even 2d CEV's.

What do you think could be the problem? I have never had a breaktrogh yet, as i was building up to it. The only guess i have is that i need to breaktrough to achive effects, that im not getting effects because i have gotten the sub breaktroughs i "need" and its time to move on to the "real" experience.

At a scientifically view of the problem i think it could permanent tolerance. I havent used alot of DMT like the people ive read about developing perma tolerance but i build tolerance pretty quick on most substances.

Im gonna try to increase the dosage to 30mg in a few days, if this dosent do it im gonna try smoking some harmalas i extracted before next try.
Its really frustrating to finally getting my smoking method good enough, to have a few sub breaktroughs and suddenly not achive desired effects anymore.
I guess if none of the above works im gonna wait a couple months and maybe take a low dose shrooms before smoking, as my last hope.

Does anyone got experience with the same problem and achived effects again? I havent started on any medication latley so thats not it.
I will really appreciate any tips, thoughts, inputs or experiences regarding this subject.

I apologize for bad English and bad grammar, as English is not my language and grammar is not my strong side.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Maybe you need to crystallize your intentions. What is it that I'm looking for in these experiences? I think you need to be in a receptive mood to go deeper after the initial phase of experimentation. Maybe something else too, but it never hurts to reflect your intentions.

 

[endlessness]

Check this out:

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

Hope it helps!

 

[Pzykonauten]

Maybe you need to crystallize your intentions. What is it that I'm looking for in these experiences? I think you need to be in a receptive mood to go deeper after the initial phase of experimentation. Maybe something else too, but it never hurts to reflect your intentions.

Good points. Im not so experienced with DMT so the intensions have been to experience something greater than myself, and hopefully learn as much as i can.

Check this out:

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

Hope it helps!

Thankyou, ive read through it before, but some repetition dosent hurt.

I tried again yesterday, i replaced the liquid pad in my CVG with some steel wool and loaded 26mg. This time i got the biggest hit i ever gotten, as i exhaled i asked "please show me something" and it was the most intense experience ive had yet. Not fully enough to breakthrough tho. Will try with a bit more next time, but im really happy it worked for me again. I guess it was a matter of my technique that had gone sloppy, and switching to the VG not using it efficent at first.

 

[Aeroman]

Try 40-50 mg, you'll probably get an automatic breakthrough, just make sure that you are in a calm mindset, nervousness and fear are normal but be ready to release that and go with the flow, do not resist.

Sometimes fear can keep you attached to physical, a strong dose can override that fear, when your body is buzzing/vibrating that's the time to surrender and enjoy the fractals and bliss.

 

[sbios]

Besides medications, which you are not taking, but prolong use of other substances can potentially alter the brain process/chemistry that can be another possible factor.

 

[Kyngwhatt]

when i first started I needed 3 large hits to break through as time went on i needed less and less, I believe this is known as a kindling effect, but maybe your chemistry is different.

I remember mckenna saying " when in doubt double the dose" pertaining to mushrooms. You may need to be in the 50 mg range to get your desired effects.

Is perma tolerance a commonly discussed topic in the community, this is my first time hearing of this.

 

[Fantasy]

when i first started I needed 3 large hits to break through as time went on i needed less and less, I believe this is known as a kindling effect, but maybe your chemistry is different.

This has been my experience as well, and not only with DMT.

 

[Pzykonauten]

Besides medications, which you are not taking, but prolong use of other substances can potentially alter the brain process/chemistry that can be another possible factor.

Currently im not using any substances than DMT, besides the occasionally beer or two.

when i first started I needed 3 large hits to break through as time went on i needed less and less, I believe this is known as a kindling effect, but maybe your chemistry is different.

I remember mckenna saying " when in doubt double the dose" pertaining to mushrooms. You may need to be in the 50 mg range to get your desired effects.

Is perma tolerance a commonly discussed topic in the community, this is my first time hearing of this.

The kindling effect is withdrawal symptoms that gets worse for each time you go through them. I belive ive heard the term "reverse tolerance" but onlt about Salvia Divinorum. There are a few threads about perma tolerance amongst experienced travelers her on Nexus.

As i mentioned the problem came down to bad technique.

I appreciate everyone taking the time to helping me. :d

 

[DMTDAVE]

buddy i feel you 1st thing i cant beleive you havent ever broke through now ive been doing dmt for over 3 years and found out how to do it right there has been times in past were i thought some of the stuff i got was bunk but then next time it worked till one day . it was about a year ago me and my best friend sat in my room and i do it with a volcano vape bag and pass it back andforth and that time it made the whole room crack white and i couldnt hear a thing (i always do it with no destractions) but i saw nothing but white nothing in room then as it wore off then normal effects as it was going away since then it doesnt effect me no matter how much i do as my buddy has greatest trips from same dmt and it pisses me off cuz i love it and i still try and only get a bad headache the next day . from what i have researched and think the problem gotta be is my blood pressure its always way high my ears always ring too .check your blood pressure and see what you get . this makes me so mad cuz when i do breakthru it is so damn relaxing i love it so much

 

[Pzykonauten]

Try 40-50 mg, you'll probably get an automatic breakthrough, just make sure that you are in a calm mindset, nervousness and fear are normal but be ready to release that and go with the flow, do not resist.

Sometimes fear can keep you attached to physical, a strong dose can override that fear, when your body is buzzing/vibrating that's the time to surrender and enjoy the fractals and bliss.

Well i had a breakthrough last night on 30mg, 1 hit and i was gone in seconds. I was terrified, felt trapped in between pillars of some sorts, i was switching positions back and forth with these pillars. I felt kinda tormented, like something was doing this out of amusement. I dont know why it felt so terrifying. There were some other things like cubes rotating, and somethings i dont remember.
It felt kinda short, but my girlfriend told me i was out an 15-20 minutes, with my eyes wide open the whole time.

Looking forward to trying again some time soon, hoping that ill encounter some knowledge, new perspectives and contact with somw entities.