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suicidal ideation reduction with psycadelics.

JungleGhost

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suffered from suicidal ideation most of my life and lost my little brother to it. psycadelics seem to have been the only thing that truly deter these thought patterns for me. I have absolutely nothing right now and am terrified I'm going to have to lock myself up to survive(AGAIN) if only my government didn't make my medicine illegal...
 
I’m so sorry to hear about your brother, and that you struggle with SI, as well.

It’s great that you find psychedelics helpful, and I hope that you can access all the psychedelic medicine that you need, along with other supports that may be of benefit.

I like your avatar btw. I remember playing Sonic the Hedgehog on the original Sega Genesis game system, and loving it.

These days, I’m low key obsessed with hedgehogs haha Check out this wild hedgehog hunting a snake…

 
We're all different, so here's a grain of salt to go with this post.

Psychedelics can be very helpful but they can also be very dangerous in this situation.

I was diagnosed as depressed in my youth and turned to psychedelics both as alternative medicine (I hated how the antidepressants made me feel) and also because they were amazing and represented a world of wonder I thought I'd lost in childhood.
The problem was I wasn't using them properly. I was using them to escape.
Instead of applying the lessons and taking action in "the normal world" I was trying to feel better by hiding in wonderland. Unsurprisingly, wonderland started to shift over time into a dark place.
A few years into it, after a series of negative life events, I made the poor decision to candy flip alone after having someone drop me off from a party where, once again, I was surrounded by drunk losers and feeling like one. I don't generally believe in guardian angels but there are few factors about that night that leave me wondering.
To be more blunt, I made a serious attempt at suicide and almost died of blood loss.

The point of this story isn't to scare you straight.
I made many more poor decisions before that one. And a few after. Though none as mortally severe.

The point is that afterward, I continued to struggle with ideation despite my immense gratitude for surviving and earnest application of "the work".
One of the labcoats I met churning through the system told me I would always live with that nagging voice telling me I'd "be better off dead and here's how to do it." At the time I thought it was an awful thing to tell a young man in crisis. In hindsight, I'm less concerned about whether he was right and more about how that prepared me.

Spolier alert: It didn't. It made me feel helpless. Like I was possessed. And truth is, the more I fought it, the worse it got.

Here's the real point of this story. It only got better when I stopped fighting it. Instead of treating it like some actual threat, I started treating that voice like an annoying child.
Instead of resisting it and creating more mental conflict, I just accepted it as a part of myself that wanted validation. I realized I don't have to act on it's suggestions for it to feel heard. It isn't a demon. It's some fractured part of me that wants love. And what's more loving than to be seen and accepted without judgement.
It's not about giving in to the ideation, it's about giving love to a part of myself that is ideating because it feels unlovable.

I feel like it's worth saying that I am also working with a trained clinical therapist and I have a solid grounding for this work.
The type of mental judo I'm talking about could have it's own risks. I know I don't want to die so when I tell the voice "Yea, you're right, I could just end my suffering that way." I have no intention of acting on it. It is simply a way to reduce the tension that gives that voice power.
If you have any doubts about being able to do that on your own, find someone to talk to.
I understand the fear of being locked up and the risk inherent in being vulnerable with a mental health provider. I've been very blessed to find one who is non-judgemental and pro (responsible) psychedelic use.
I know there's someone out there for you.
And more importantly, I know the suffering you feel has a cure.
 
Here's the real point of this story. It only got better when I stopped fighting it. Instead of treating it like some actual threat, I started treating that voice like an annoying child.
Instead of resisting it and creating more mental conflict, I just accepted it as a part of myself that wanted validation. I realized I don't have to act on it's suggestions for it to feel heard. It isn't a demon. It's some fractured part of me that wants love. And what's more loving than to be seen and accepted without judgement.
It's not about giving in to the ideation, it's about giving love to a part of myself that is ideating because it feels unlovable.

I feel like it's worth saying that I am also working with a trained clinical therapist and I have a solid grounding for this work.
The type of mental judo I'm talking about could have it's own risks. I know I don't want to die so when I tell the voice "Yea, you're right, I could just end my suffering that way." I have no intention of acting on it. It is simply a way to reduce the tension that gives that voice power.
If you have any doubts about being able to do that on your own, find someone to talk to.
I understand the fear of being locked up and the risk inherent in being vulnerable with a mental health provider. I've been very blessed to find one who is non-judgemental and pro (responsible) psychedelic use.
I know there's someone out there for you.
And more importantly, I know the suffering you feel has a cure.
Thank you for sharing 🙏
I feel that your reply is the best path forward in this situation. Internet forums will never deliver the same level of support and engagement that real-life people can.

@JungleGhost, Do not get swayed by the modern virtual world paradigm and go find some real help. Psychedelics will always be around for you to explore later on.
Life is too short to just sit in our stories, whatever they are. Only real-life actions can change anything. That is why we have bodies in the first place.

Much Love ❤️
 
Never found a rx that works as effective/timely yet my state says psilocybin/LSD etc. has no medical value 😤 Getdahfugouttaherrewiddatshiet
 
I have struggled with suicidal ideations since a young buck say around nine years old and was already acting it out at that age getting really close around age 13 with the easy access to guns.

I still do at the ripe age of 43 and have made peace with the thoughts knowing that I am not them. That they come and go like the wind. When the storm comes strong it's a reminder to slow down and focus on self love and appreciation. I see the thoughts as a source of power to know what can become but I have the free will to know better. I don't beat myself up for them anymore like I used to. It's also a type of ejection seat from this reality that I can appreciate because the thoughts that entertain such a deed are never rational.

I've spent my time with an experienced therapist that helped but only got me so far where I had to make the brave decisions to make the changes that free us of our chains. Much love on your journey brother your on the right track❤️‍🔥
 
Talked to a psychiatrist that does ketamine/psycadelic therapy... Pricey, thinking I'm just hold my own sessions with more natural substances ..
Just search for a normal psychotherapist, not these trendy psychedelic ones. He just needs to be open to your practice of inner exploration. It would be much cheaper.
We are living in a capitalist society, and every trend is here to make more money. You need to be smart about it and just look for someone meeting your criteria and wallet.
This attitude of "I would better do it myself" is missing the whole point of therapy and how it works. It is just an escape mechanism, but you need to see it yourself.
Anyhow, all the best to you. May healing bloom in your life 🙏
 
I would advice to look more into the "human quality" of a potential therapist instead of the specific therapy. It needs to be someone that you feel comfortable with and you perceive as mature, balanced, and if possible wise.
It's not easy and it requires some searching, but it's possible. And it won't necessarily be someone in the higher end of prices.
 
Stay strong bro
Thanks I'm trying. This time of year is always the worst for me. Mentally, financially, emotionally.

After two decades traversing pharmaceutical options for mental health ailments, I opt out...
Me thinking a pill is going to fix me has just been a endless cycle of being disappointed and I'm getting too old to be a pharmaceutical labrat.
 
Thanks I'm trying. This time of year is always the worst for me. Mentally, financially, emotionally.

After two decades traversing pharmaceutical options for mental health ailments, I opt out...
Me thinking a pill is going to fix me has just been a endless cycle of being disappointed and I'm getting too old to be a pharmaceutical labrat.
Have you ever thought about leaving it all behind and moving to some small village in Asia or South America? Such a big change in lifestyle and culture could fix a lot of issues.

You would just seem different there, and could start anew. Grow a garden, raise some chickens, find a local girl, and create a family. If I were not bound by commitment to my parent, it'd be my plan. First world countries are done for, and there is little to no real life left here. It's very hard to own land in Europe, and you'd just work as a slave for your whole life. Even given the difficult times we face, you'd be welcomed in many places, and the skills you take for granted could be of value for some. Living for someone else and serving a community could be very healing in itself. Just an idea 💡
 
I think about moving out of my country ALOT. I have people here I love too much too leave tho.
I feel stuck here and out of place.

Trying to build a life here but it seems like I just don't fit in and everything I do is against the rules. I don't think I'm a bad person I just like my freedom and I think sometimes you have to make your own rules...

You only have this life to live once, do you.
 
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