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Weed Side Effects Became Permament After Mixing With Harmala+Dmt

Most benefits of fasting are on days 3 to 5. Stuff like autophagy, insulin "reset" etc. need a prolonged fasted state. Your brain starts to work on ketones after around 36 hours too. Fasting, cardio and sauna helped me the most to get weed out of my system. It took 8+ months to a year in my case. I'm weed free for 5 years now and don't really miss it.
Just be patient. You can figure your next step when body is somewhat stable. Harmalas definetly help but not right away. I would still take a time off from all substances.

Just don't overdo it. Too much of anything could end badly. Fasting works when it's the main healing practice. It's not a quick fix.
If you are already unstable, prolonged fast could go both ways.

Take care 🙏
Sugar is also a really really major overlooked culprit i think. and really doesnt help adhd brains very much if they are not focussed
 
Harmala + DMT is proven to induce neuroplasticity, so the concurrent use of weed could have led to strengthing of some sub-optimal pathways in this instance. The advice to lay off drugs and instead focus on meditation and exercise seems the most sound.

Only with expert guidance, or a considerable amount of introspective preparation and self-discipline, would it make sense to attempt to re-optimise the neural connectome with the help of neuroplasticity agents.
hmm. what makes u think they're sub optimal? this is implying almost that the brain / body doesn't know what it's doing :p. surely there is a reason that extra energy is directed toward these pathways? i have no idea, but i also don't claim for them to be sub optimal (or optimal)
 
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So a total newbie comes around whi complains about his vilification & abuse of a most precious gift from dame Nature, somehow supposed to heal him from « living in heaven » and now blaming it in a « therapy » forum dedicated to « trauma »... Signed "The King" in indonesian language, e.g. from a country where possession is punishable by 4 to 12 years of imprisonment!

Just in time for Christmass! Hummm... I see. 🤔

IMHO there should be restrictions put on fresh-new subscriptions, like a probation period to prevent instant gratification.

M'well. Strange decisions indeed, but don't expect me to fall for it even a micro-second!

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what a strange response to somebody who clearly is in distress
 
I'm aware that cannabis use by folk with predispositions to conditions such as schizophrenia can lead to heightened psychotic effects, but am not so sure about the mixing of cannabis and psychedelics being dangerous in this way, other than for those with underlying conditions.
Sure, cannabis can amplify the effects of psychedelics, leading to people becoming overwhelmed or having a 'bad trip', but much of this could also be attributed to a lack of preparation and a proper intention and setting, and does not seem to lead to long term problems.
It seems pretty clear that Bertaraja made a fairly unwise decision in taking the combination they did, especially knowing the negative effect weed has on them already, but from the, albeit, brief bit of searching I have just done on the subject, it doesn't seem that cannabis taken with psychedelics causes long term psychotic problems like these, except in the case of preexisting conditions, or, at least, there is little but anecdotal evidence of this.
people spiral from conditions like these because they can't tolerate the headache, and so it self perpetuates. that is the issue. these sensations could actually be quite useful, if only people had the b*llox to withstand them
 
I strongly object to humanity labelling brains as we have in the last hundred years. OP believes he has a condition, a disorder.

All we have to define is if our brain is high or low maintenance. Low maintenance means a fully immersed experience here on earth. High maintenance means we don't get the benefits of the brain without constant work. Means the experience here on earth feels detached from an inner self.

So I agree with you gopher, it takes b*llox to handle a very high maintenance brain.

The OP's presented narrative opened a certain door on a high maintenance brain way before there was any ability to face it.
 
I strongly object to humanity labelling brains as we have in the last hundred years. OP believes he has a condition, a disorder.

All we have to define is if our brain is high or low maintenance. Low maintenance means a fully immersed experience here on earth. High maintenance means we don't get the benefits of the brain without constant work. Means the experience here on earth feels detached from an inner self.

So I agree with you gopher, it takes b*llox to handle a very high maintenance brain.

The OP's presented narrative opened a certain door on a high maintenance brain way before there was any ability to face it.
I like your way of looking at it. Yeah the naming everything ought to have a condition name for that - the compulsive tendency to categorise and name everything.. I'm sure there probably already is one tbf. I wonder if the DSM contains it

Even if OP has a condition, or maybe a disorder- it's the fact he is unsettled / disturbed / stressed by it is the real issue

But perhaps it's not even an issue - perhaps that is just the thing, the ache, of the head, and how much it might ache is in itself a stress, perhaps even just reflective of that - stress. Maybe it's our body's last way of saying to us, we are stressed, past pointing it out through all of the bodily signals that we sometimes lose track of over the years.
 
I strongly object to humanity labelling brains as we have in the last hundred years. OP believes he has a condition, a disorder.

All we have to define is if our brain is high or low maintenance. Low maintenance means a fully immersed experience here on earth. High maintenance means we don't get the benefits of the brain without constant work. Means the experience here on earth feels detached from an inner self.

So I agree with you gopher, it takes b*llox to handle a very high maintenance brain.

The OP's presented narrative opened a certain door on a high maintenance brain way before there was any ability to face it.
Though I do like to think that the high maintenance and low maintenance are both as necessary as one another, and sometimes (perhaps always) inevitable - sometimes you are simply shocked into it
 
Yeah, for sure..probably everything in existence is necessary and equal in it's own way. We can definitely learn to steer our brains towards low or high maintenance mode depending on the situation.
 
I have adhd and weed (especially sativa) makes adhd symptoms extremelly terrible. My mind makes second guesses every thoughts ı made and deny everything, never satisfies from anything. So its so fucking restless situation , because of that and some other reasons ı have guit weed more than a year.

However 6 months ago ı wanted to smoked weed while on oral dmt, things ı wrote happened again yet this time it didnt pass after I sleep and woke up. İts been 6 months I cant focus on any thoughts, cant even stop my mind. When ı close my eyes or when I love myself and try to ground myself ı have headaches. I was really positive and happy person, actually ı was living in heaven. Now my mind do not gives credit to anything

I believe most of the mental issues are all psychological so ı tried to approach the situation like that maybe ı have no chemical problem everything in my mind, maybe ı have some wrong cognitive patterns so ı keep questioning myself, keep using psychdelics but it is not working. I tried to smoke weed one more time and all of these symptoms increased for like a 5 hours. So I am sure its because of weed. I am not sure if ı make myself clear but I really need help. I went to doctor he gave me antipsychotics, yet it didnt supress my mind it only supress me. So ı stopped it aswell.

TLDR: Smoked weed on syrian rue+dmt, side effects of weed (extreme adhd?) became permament. I need help.
Note: I am giving myself time trying to eat healthy and exercise and meditate these things makes me feel normal for very short times then extreme adhd kicks in again. I tried to work in fields and go to backpacking trip. Thought if ı have to concern about my physical body and surviving while hithcking and sleeping in streets etc. I could ground myself yet even that didnt work.
Note2: No I am not smoking weed. I wasnt smoking for a long time aswell.
Hey, OP -

Try switching to a keto diet and take 4 keto BHB capsules, and meditating for 10 mins.

See if it helps.

I have a suspicion that it is sugar / carb related (the brain has to go through a hefty conversion process to make glucose food - ketones can be used directly however)
 
the brain has to go through a hefty conversion process to make glucose food - ketones can be used directly however
Our brain works on these two types of fuel very well. Never doubt Nature. She has her own reasons for everything.
Even this very brain you use to make sense of things is her creation. The only modern problem is that we seldom hit a fasted state.
It's a necessary part of a healthy lifestyle. It's one of the reasons it was integrated into most religions.
I say a fast should be mandatory for everyone. Peace.
 
Our brain works on these two types of fuel very well. Never doubt Nature. She has her own reasons for everything.
Even this very brain you use to make sense of things is her creation. The only modern problem is that we seldom hit a fasted state.
It's a necessary part of a healthy lifestyle. It's one of the reasons it was integrated into most religions.
I say a fast should be mandatory for everyone. Peace.
I completely agree with you, but the body was also made to function with the use of insulin, and now societally we have drifted into an over dependence on insulin which results in diabetes, crazy unpredictable (dependent on sugar) burnout patterns, and god knows what else.

Fasts are so essential, and totally missing - people know how to go up but really struggle in coming back down, and I think that is due to the hyperstimulation of, well, everything, including even people's diets. This is without mentioning even the media we consume.
 
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I don't know all the terminology and jargon and such but AFAIK the conversion process for glucose into ATP is multi-step and quite complex, whereas ketones enter the 'citric acid cycle' in several steps fewer than glucose

They also make more ATP per carbon molecule (compared to glucose)

Obviously it isn't realistic to stay in ketosis _all of the time_ - but the fact that we never are in this default physiological state, is at the very least peculiar to me
 
I have adhd and weed (especially sativa) makes adhd symptoms extremelly terrible. My mind makes second guesses every thoughts ı made and deny everything, never satisfies from anything. So its so fucking restless situation , because of that and some other reasons ı have guit weed more than a year.

However 6 months ago ı wanted to smoked weed while on oral dmt, things ı wrote happened again yet this time it didnt pass after I sleep and woke up. İts been 6 months I cant focus on any thoughts, cant even stop my mind. When ı close my eyes or when I love myself and try to ground myself ı have headaches. I was really positive and happy person, actually ı was living in heaven. Now my mind do not gives credit to anything

I believe most of the mental issues are all psychological so ı tried to approach the situation like that maybe ı have no chemical problem everything in my mind, maybe ı have some wrong cognitive patterns so ı keep questioning myself, keep using psychdelics but it is not working. I tried to smoke weed one more time and all of these symptoms increased for like a 5 hours. So I am sure its because of weed. I am not sure if ı make myself clear but I really need help. I went to doctor he gave me antipsychotics, yet it didnt supress my mind it only supress me. So ı stopped it aswell.

TLDR: Smoked weed on syrian rue+dmt, side effects of weed (extreme adhd?) became permament. I need help.
Note: I am giving myself time trying to eat healthy and exercise and meditate these things makes me feel normal for very short times then extreme adhd kicks in again. I tried to work in fields and go to backpacking trip. Thought if ı have to concern about my physical body and surviving while hithcking and sleeping in streets etc. I could ground myself yet even that didnt work.
Note2: No I am not smoking weed. I wasnt smoking for a long time aswell.
Hey man, I have been there minus the ADHD. Maybe its undiagnosed in me. For 4 years i suffered relentless anxiety and depression. Attempted suicide twice. I did not have psychedellics in the mix at the time. I found DMT and i got some answers and I pushed on with sheer strenght and will. We have to unlearn these negative patterns I turned my life around and my approach to life, I needed a total 180 in my life to change things. Perhaps you should do the same. Its an everyday battle but we are strong you have a whole online community behind you. Who may not know you but care for life and having a good one. So be brave, you can do it!
 
hmm. what makes u think they're sub optimal? this is implying almost that the brain / body doesn't know what it's doing :p. surely there is a reason that extra energy is directed toward these pathways? i have no idea, but i also don't claim for them to be sub optimal (or optimal)
I missed this question for some reason. It's a good point, although another way of looking at "sub-optimal pathways" is that they've developed in response to unconscious issues regarding harmful influences or practices. In that respect (and I've said this somewhere before), I've noticed that very occasional use of cannabis can guide one into activities - like yoga/stretches, dancing, music and other creative outputs that were present in the background as an unfulfilled need.

Perhaps the OP's symptoms were also influenced by their difficulty in engaging with this active process - or said process was a deep and challenging one. This type of personal change can be a long, drawn-out affair, requiring considerable commitment, and it's quite natural for the ego to fight back against it in whatever ways it can find!
 
I've noticed that very occasional use of cannabis can guide one into activities - like yoga/stretches, dancing, music and other creative outputs that were present in the background as an unfulfilled need
From the tantric perspective, these activities represent Shakti, or energy, in the body. Cannabis and other psychoactive substances can catalyze the release of stuck energy, naturally leading to creative somatic expression. It's of utmost importance to let this energy express itself without holding it back in any way. You can read more about this in Peter A. Levine's book, In an Unspoken Voice: How the Body Releases Trauma and Restores Goodness.
 
i am late to the conversation but i think you need to stop using all of these chemicals for a long time to get your mindset back to a good place. stay sober minded for a while, especially stay clear of antipsychotics (they are more like "psychotics" in my opinion) they are not the solution you need.
spend some time getting physically healthy, as you are doing. eat healthy, drink plenty of water, exercise daily and get plenty of sleep on a regular schedule, which is difficult with ADHD, i know.

eating and drinking healthy is a minefield of a debate but some things are obvious, like quitting sugar, unnatural additives and factory foods/drinks. it's best to eat food the way nature gives it to us, without the preservatives and addictive carcinogens. organic is underrated. personally i do not eat grains and i my health has improved vastly since, though it took a while to feel the effects, but grain free diets are taboo so you should do what is best for you.

i know i am reiterating a lot of what you are already doing but i just want to solidify it. keep with the meditation too. nothing changes over night. what you are looking for is a life long change, not a quick solution. it will come with time.

as for the ADHD and the effects of it, you should know you are perfect the way you are, you do not need to be anything that you are not. some aspects of ADHD you will not be able to "fix" but you can learn to accept them and accept yourself. love yourself and love everybody in the world ❤️

i also believe you are correct that a lot of your psychological problems are in your head. we often make ourselves into victims by thinking like a victim. if you wake up thinking things will go wrong that day then you can be sure things will go wrong that day. i know it is definitely not simple to execute this concept though! it sounds so rude to say this to people and it can sound very taboo, but we do have more control over our mindset than we often realize.
in the morning, before you do anything, remind yourself that you are perfect, you are divine, and make sure you forgive yourself for anything you feel badly towards yourself about. treat yourself as you would treat your child.

also take time to take a note of the things you are blessed for, especially when things go wrong. e.g. during a storm my roof was leaking and i took time to remind myself how lucky i was that i had a roof over my head. i also take time to be grateful for every meal i eat and i try to take time to find things i am grateful for whenever i can. we let a lot of the good things slip past in life. the more you practice this the more you realize how blessed you really are.

i think i could type forever but i feel that i am going off point. i also have ADHD :LOL:. i have been where you are, you are not alone. keep at it! and forget about psychedelics and weed for a while. it will take time, but know that you WILL come out the other side.

we love you! ❤️
 
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So a total newbie comes around whi complains about his vilification & abuse of a most precious gift from dame Nature, somehow supposed to heal him from « living in heaven » and now blaming it in a « therapy » forum dedicated to « trauma »... Signed "The King" in indonesian language, e.g. from a country where possession is punishable by 4 to 12 years of imprisonment!

Just in time for Christmass! Hummm... I see. 🤔

IMHO there should be restrictions put on fresh-new subscriptions, like a probation period to prevent instant gratification.

M'well. Strange decisions indeed, but don't expect me to fall for it even a micro-second!

🥱


do you not see how nasty your reply is? why do you even reply?
put yourself in OPs shoes and imagine if somebody replied with the attitude you reply with. how would that make you feel?
 
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