Superhyerptensive Crisis, Anyone?

[OneofTwo]

Hi, all

I'm trying to learn about SC to find out how risky it is for me due to hypertension.

My BP has been as high as 265/120 on a "normal" day. I do have a health condition as as result--pretty severe heart failure. I'm a probationary student of a Persian/Greek School of Theurgy which emphasizes that the body is to be kept as strong and healthy as it can be. Entheogens are not forbidden, but I need to make responsible choices about journeying as a part of my spiritual path.

When my BP was uncontrolled, I had vivid lucid dreams. Now it's in a more normal range--about 155/110. And the vivid dreams have tapered off. I believe dream work is an important part of my spiritual path, so I haven't given up on it. I like the idea of SC because apparently it has the potential to become permanent, so I won't have to keep taking it.

Anyone else around here have high blood pressure that fails to respond to medications?

I must add I seem to have wierd brain chemistry, because I can't take most blood pressure meds. Beta blockers, for example, make me cry inconsolably after about an hour, and I become unable to think about anything except finding a train to throw myself in front of.

Hey, it just occured to me that if some knowlegeable chemist on the list could figure out what's wrong with my brain, and how treatment for hypertension has stopped the dreams, we just might have potential a gateway into lucid dreaming!
Wouldn't that be great?


Best,

OneofTwo

 

[corpus callosum]

My BP has been as high as 265/120 on a "normal" day. I do have a health condition as as result--pretty severe heart failure.

When my BP was uncontrolled, I had vivid lucid dreams. Now it's in a more normal range--about 155/110. And the vivid dreams have tapered off. I believe dream work is an important part of my spiritual path, so I haven't given up on it. I like the idea of SC because apparently it has the potential to become permanent, so I won't have to keep taking it.

Anyone else around here have high blood pressure that fails to respond to medications?

I must add I seem to have wierd brain chemistry, because I can't take most blood pressure meds. Beta blockers, for example, make me cry inconsolably after about an hour, and I become unable to think about anything except finding a train to throw myself in front of.

Im aware of hypertensive crises and hypertensive encephalopathy; superhypertensive crisis is new to me.Does this mean a more extreme version of a hypertensive crisis?

If so then it doesnt sound good or healthy.I also dont get what you mean by liking the idea of SC because it may become permanent because you wont have to keep taking 'it'-what is this 'it'? I would appreciate it if you could explain what you mean a little more.

Beta blockers can certainly cause a depressed mood and ones brain chemistry doesnt need to be weird for this to occur.

Usually high BP is medication-responsive ,but you may need to resort to some pretty un-userfriendly compounds to achieve BP control. 265/120 is a worryingly high BP, IMO.

Has an underlying cause been established for your hypertension?

 

[Jin]

just quit eating salt and sugar , also stop consuming more than 2 cups of coffee a day ,

 

[OneofTwo]

Corpus,

Thanks for taking the time to respond!

"superhypertensive crisis is new to me.Does this mean a more extreme version of a hypertensive crisis?"

I just invented the term; I meant it to be descriptive, not diagnostic. Technically, in that range it's called malignant hypertension.

I like the idea of permanent effects so I can stop taking SC. I avoid substances like crazy, because I get pretty bad side effects from nearly everything, especially if I take it long enough. I've looked at some of the remarks by people who keep taking SC over time, and IMHO, their symptoms are very suggestive of the same condition that gives me hypertension.

That very high 265/120 is the highest I've gone, still without a heart attack or other ill effects. Over time, of course, the "normal" hypertension I experience, even on meds, has taken its toll. I now have severe heart failure and am supposed to get a defibrillator to break up any lethal heart rythyms that result from my condition.

The underlying cause of my hypertension has been tested pretty thoroughly. I don't have a pheochromocytoma, I don't have hyperaldosteronism, or any of the genetic conditions that mimic it. I've been diagnosed with pseudohyperaldosteronism, because my BP responds--partially--to spironolactone (an aldosterone blocker). I have to take huge amounts to get the effect, though. Most people have a 25 mg dose; my dose is 200 mg daily.

I believe aldosterone is triggered by the pituitary. Does this mean anything to you in terms of lucid dreaming?

Best,

OneofTwo

 

[OneofTwo]

Hi, Jin!

just quit eating salt and sugar , also stop consuming more than 2 cups of coffee a day ,

Sodium is probably more pervasive than you think. Some people imagine that if they don't use a salt shaker at the table, they aren't consuming salt.

Sadly, I'm somewhat an expert on this topic, because I'm restricted to 1500 mg daily, which is about as low as you can go without fasting. Virtually all food contains some trace amount (or more!) of sodium. For example, a fresh vine-ripened tomato from your garden contains 80 mg of sodium--even when it's never seen the inside of a kitchen.

So, starting with the sodium in your food when it's raw and fresh, and adding the amount used to preserve it (especially true of meats, such as pepperoni), adding whatever is used to prepare it for the table (cheese in the pizza, and the pizza crust, and the pizza sauce), you can see that avoiding the salt shaker isn't quite enough.

But thanks for the suggestion!

Best,

OneofTwo

 

[OneofTwo]

Corpus,

Thanks for taking the time to respond!

"superhypertensive crisis is new to me.Does this mean a more extreme version of a hypertensive crisis?"

I just invented the term; I meant it to be descriptive, not diagnostic. Technically, in that range it's called malignant hypertension.

I like the idea of permanent effects so I can stop taking SC. I avoid substances like crazy, because I get pretty bad side effects from nearly everything, especially if I take it long enough. I've looked at some of the remarks by people who keep taking SC over time, and IMHO, their symptoms are very suggestive of the same condition that gives me hypertension.

That very high 265/120 is the highest I've gone, still without a heart attack or other ill effects. Over time, of course, the "normal" hypertension I experience, even on meds, has taken its toll. I now have severe heart failure and am supposed to get a defibrillator to break up any lethal heart rythyms that result from my condition.

The underlying cause of my hypertension has been tested pretty thoroughly. I don't have a pheochromocytoma, I don't have hyperaldosteronism, or any of the genetic conditions that mimic it. I've been diagnosed with pseudohyperaldosteronism, because my BP responds--partially--to spironolactone (an aldosterone blocker). I have to take huge amounts to get the effect, though. Most people have a 25 mg dose; my dose is 200 mg daily.

I believe aldosterone, although produced in the adrenals, is triggered by ACTH, formed in the pituitary. Does this mean anything to you in terms of lucid dreaming?

Best,

OneofTwo

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

Hi, Jin!

just quit eating salt and sugar , also stop consuming more than 2 cups of coffee a day ,

Sodium is probably more pervasive than you think. Some people imagine that if they don't use a salt shaker at the table, they aren't consuming salt.

Sadly, I'm somewhat an expert on this topic, because I'm restricted to 1500 mg daily, which is about as low as you can go without fasting. Virtually all food contains some trace amount (or more!) of sodium. For example, a fresh vine-ripened tomato from your garden contains 80 mg of sodium--even when it's never seen the inside of a kitchen.

So, starting with the sodium in your food when it's raw and fresh, and adding the amount used to preserve it (especially true of meats, such as pepperoni), adding whatever is used to prepare it for the table (cheese in the pizza, and the pizza crust, and the pizza sauce), you can see that avoiding the salt shaker isn't quite enough.

But thanks for the suggestion!

Best,

OneofTwo

I think sometimes there is a genetic factor. My wife has to watch her sodium and cholesterol because if she doesn't then both of them get very high. It seems to run in her family as her mother and sisters all have the same issue.

Sometimes it can be difficult. My wife chooses the foods, so the whole family eats quit healthy. Unfortunately, our grocery bill often exceeds $1000 per month (we are a family of 6 and we shop frugally). Healthy and proper eating can be quite expensive which is, in my opinion, at least a significant contributing factor to the obesity rate skyrocketing the way it has in the last 25 years. She also exercises daily and runs at least 25 miles each week. And since she began controlling and monitoring her diet and exercise she has been able to get both her high blood pressure and cholesterol under control enough to not need medications anymore. And another pleasant side effect is her body has gotten BAM!!!

But anyway, I wish I could give advice but I am really mostly ignorant in this subject. So, from her mouth to my ears and through the net to your eyes, she has stated that the one thing that has made the greatest impact on controlling her high blood pressure is the regular consistent exercise, especially the running. However, the diet cannot be neglected and is essential in order to maintain the ability to do the exercise.

So good luck, and I wish you the best.