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Swim's extraction problems.

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Beckersv

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This is a quick swims extraction report.

He used 100grams of self powdered MHRB , blender reduced it in a pretty fine pink dust.

After acidifing deminarilized water with lemon juice (pH about 2.7) he added the powder, boiled and filtered 3 times.

Then the acidic extract was reduced to a dark red 1 liter solution.

A defatting attemp was done with xylene but emulsion was fucking annoying a swim had to warm up and add table salt to dissolve slowly the emulsion.
Defatting wasted a lot of time and seemed to be useless, no more defatting was done.

Swim used a separatory funnel to separate xylene from the useful acidic solution and added a few spoons of NaOH until he achievied pH 13, solution turned black and smelled fishy, to this about 50 ml of warm hexane was added and the mix was shaked a lot, another bad emulsion appeared but less stable than the previous one.

The hexane layer was separed from the rest and two more extractions were done.

The collected light yellow hexane was reduced by boiling to less than 50 ml.

3 polar washes with weaky basified water were done to clean it from polar shit.

Evaporation left a light yellow powder with a strange and strong smell (one of swim's friends said him the smell reminds piss). Swim tasted a tiny bit of it with his tongue, it was incredible bitter and burned as hell.

The questions are: DMT shouldn't burn like that, are 3 polar whashes not enought to clean the spice from NaOH?

And...

Why noone talks about acidifing with lemon juice?

The last one

Why emulsion were so annoying? Should swim filter better? He used only a 100% cotton white t-shirt.

pics will be posted if can be useful.
 
Beckersv said:
The questions are: DMT shouldn't burn like that, are 3 polar whashes not enought to clean the spice from NaOH?

And...

Why noone talks about acidifing with lemon juice?

The last one

Why emulsion were so annoying? Should swim filter better? He used only a 100% cotton white t-shirt.

pics will be posted if can be useful.

Hi welcome.

It's not lye that's burning. Lye is insoluable in NP.
There's no telling what you have since you boiled your hexane. DMT freebase boils at 60 - 80 degrees (Merck) and hexane boils at 69 degrees.
Don't boil solutions containing DMT freebase.

I guess lemon juice is fine - lots of ayahuasca recipes use it. For extractions it just makes more sense to use something a little more pure like distilled white vinegar or hydrochloric acid.

Xylene is prone to nasty emulsions - just be very careful with your agitation and skip the defat entirely if you're using MHRB.
 
Thanks for answering, i still can't understand why this light yellow stuff smells like dmt but burns as hell, i know lye isn't insoluable in NP but in my opinion is the only thing that could burn like that.

Swim boiled hexane to reduce volume, after boiling a poured the hexane in separatory funnel and added basified water, this step was repeated 3 times. After this washes he put the solvent in a ceramic dish and helped evaporation with a fan.

About boiling point Merck temperatures sounds too low and this is what shulgin said about this:

The Merck Index gives the very early, very low values of 46 Ā°C and 44.6-46.8 Ā°C and claimes that the bp is 60-80 Ā°C with atmospheric pressure being implied. It is clearly in error on both matters. No evidence has been published suggesting polymorphism. The published mp values for the trimethyl quaternary iodide span the range from 188 Ā°C to 233 Ā°C, including in-between values of 197 Ā°C and 216-217 Ā°C. This physical property is of limited value." --Alexander Shulgin

Anyways swim will not boil again hexane. He got 400 grams more MHRB to work with.
 
I don't know what else may be in there that's causing it to burn, but the yellow color probably is from boiling the hexane. DMT seems to do strange things when heated. A member of another board has actually figured out how to convert white DMT into a yellow goo that he finds more enjoyable:
So the person was precipitating it in a jar. Then he would pour off the fuel and dry. Then he would run hot water over the out side of the jar to melt it. The original plan was to do a quick lazy recrystalization without solvent. However this allow all the product to oxidize and made it all yellow oil crystals. very nice indeed. they seem to get even better if you allow them time ti further oxidize like in a bag over a week. And to think people are trying to protect it from oxidizing. The person in question makes all types. white powder for newbies. Clear shards for spooiled people who think they know what they want yellow crystals for himself and yellow goo for the rest of the informed people.
 
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