Synthetic cannabinoids thread

[SHroomtroll]

I think these compounds deserve a thread to themself since some of them can create very profound and psychedelic mind states and even strong visuals.

My experience with them is limited to jwh210, jwh122 and one unknown mix that i bought.

Before i start i should tell everyone that these compounds are rc´s and although they seem to have a decent safety profile when used once and awhile they should never be used daily or even weekly imho.

These mindstates they create are very different from cannabis and noones knows how they affect your physical and mental well being if abused.

Anyway my report on the ones i tried are.

Jwh210:

First time i smoked this i took to much and got blasted! i took three big hits right away which was very stupid, i got way to high and really paranoid, i felt like an idiot for having all kinds of rc´s at home and was actually close to throw some away.

But as they high mellowed out abit i actually did some very deep work and really cleansed my thoughts and received very strong healing ala cannabis if used sparingly.

My lack of any tolerance to cannabinoids or thc probably helped out to uncloud everything.

The next time i tried it i took much less and although it still had some powerful effects it was way more manageable.


jwh122:

Smoked this yesterday and since ive learned my lesson i only took one small hit first, the effects were nowhere as mental as 210 and alot more stoning.

This was actually preety close to a heavy indica and felt really good, this could def be used as a alternative to cannabis when i just wan´t to chill out and watch a movie or something.



I still have am2201 and am2233 to try out but i will probably wait a few weeks since i don´t wan´t to make a habit of smoking these chems.

If anyone has any reports or info feel free to add.

 

[TheAppleCore]

I've heard a lot of interesting reports on synthetic cannabinoids and how they differ from the plant.

But I will give a warning:

As of now, we are largely ignorant about the potential dangers of synthetic cannabinoids. There is speculation that some may be neurotoxic. Multiple people have experienced seizures or convulsions on AM2201, for instance. Proceed with extreme caution!

 

[bransondude]

I'd like to bring up that these compounds have a much higher potential for euphoria and have addictive/withdrawal properties that are extremely unlike cannabis. Some people can't eat for up a week after stopping heavy use because their eating habits had come to revolve around the synthetic cannabinoids. I predict that if ever studied, these drugs will demonstrate that they are addictive on a level near or equal to cocaine, tobacco, opiates, meth, etc. The potential for abuse is very high. I know one person who spent months trying to get his anxiety under control when he stopped use completely. He DID eventually feel restored but it took somewhere between 8 and 12 weeks to feel good again.

That said, they do produce very interesting mindstates similar but different from cannabis. Kinda like all the different soda flavors but they all have sugar and carbonation. Certain ones would bring my friends up so they would run about cleaning their homes similar to uppers. Others would have extreme couch-lock and they wouldn't wish to move for awhile. On one in particular, I saw a guy smoke it and just stand where he was for 15 minutes, didn't feel the need to move from that spot apparently.

 

[jamie]

^cannabis has all the same withdrawl with heavy use IMO that you mentioned above.

 

[bransondude]

^cannabis has all the same withdrawl with heavy use IMO that you mentioned above.

I realize that, but this is more intense by a long shot. At least in the people I've known using it.

The popular synthetics have an affinity for CB receptors that is several times that of any natural cannabis. Plus the drug is considerably more concentrated than even hashish. I believe it would even be possible to have complications from overdose with these substances with certain versions which have extreme affinity.

Synthetic cannabinoids are not to be underestimated. They aren't natural cannabis, not in chemical structure, not in effects. I'm not saying never try it, but good god go into it knowing what's going on with them.

A local liquor store that sold this stuff was actually burglarized and had their stock of synthetic blends stolen. The alcohol was untouched and the safe didn't appear touched either. I know those details because I am familiar with the owner/manager.

 

[jamie]

I really have zero interest in these compounds. I dont even find cannabis super interesting these days and all I have heard of the synthetic cannabinoids has been not that great for the most part. I will gladly stick with cannabis once or twice a week.

 

[۩]

Cannabis: relaxing, introspective, creative, anti inflammatory, vasodilating, organic, etc.

The JWH's I've tried: Hollow, metallic, bronchial-constriction, no fx on inflammation noted, down right scary at times, easy to OD on, questionable purity

Needless to say the choice is quite clear.

 

[soulfood]

I have experience with jwh-018 and AM-2201.

Was not a fan of jwh-018. For me it lasted far too long and I'd still be feeling it the previous day. It lacked any sense of euphoria and more than anything it just made me feel groggy.

AM-2201 is pretty good if you know what you're doing with it. 100mg can last me over 1 month. I applied 50mg to 4g of mullein using IPA and I needed a very small amount of leaf for a dose. You certainly don't want to go with straight powder unless you have an efficent and reliable method of measurement.

For me its every bit as good as cannabis. Granted its no replacement, but it does have some advantages. It has a short duration which is good for me because although I enjoy the intensity, I couldn't handle it for too long. It doesn't give me the munchies which to me is a cannabis drawback. Also it doesn't mess with my stomach like cannabis. It seems less confusing, in fact at higher doses I've had some nice moments of insight absent of fog, though I have got my words mixed up a couple of times.

Just be aware of how AM2201 synergises with other substances. It has a habit of pulling strong psychoactive experiences out of nowhere.

 

[SHroomtroll]

I don´t think anyone should strictly compare these things with cannabis just like you should not compare the 4aco/ho analogs with shrooms.

Just because the real deal is superior there is no reason to not be curious of mans crazy inventions.

I prefer mesc and shrooms to rc´s most of the time but it´s always exciting to explore unknown headspaces.


Also for someone like me who has a long time break from cannabis (at least 6months) it can be fun to have something that reminds me of the feeling of getting high but still keeping me clean from thc.

My plan is sometime next year to have a deep season with oral cannabis and maybe smoke some with a bit of mapacho to recreate my relationship with it.

But untill then i will smoke these things once or twice a month if i feel the urge to get baked.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I prefer mesc and shrooms to rc´s most of the time but it´s always exciting to explore unknown headspaces.

things we don't know are scary and should be greeted with fear.
only what our culture has shown us may be accepted, everything else is satan trying to tempt you with his fancy science chemicals

 

[polytrip]

Given the power cannabis can have, i´m fairly sure that synthetic cannabinoids could launch you to other dimensions, just like DMT can. With synth´s, you could take a huge dose at once.

I think vovin was planning to experiment with this.

It could be a very unpleasant ride though. Most people would probably consider it an overdose rather than just a heavy dose.