Syrian rue+cannabis+tryptophan=dmt?

[harmala_afficianado]

Im not sure how the combo works exactly, but it feels almost identical to my past psilohuasca trips.

Tryptophan in itself has a significant interaction with cannabis, it feels like it lowers any tolerance you have to cannabis, and makes the high alot more psychedelic with potential oevs and cevs.

Now with rue in the mix it feels like a full on trip, with vivid visuals both open and closed eye, and the closed eye visuals feel almost like dmt, flying through different dimensions and seeing beings there etc, with also a significant psychedelic afterglow the next day.

I feel like the maoi from 5g+ of rue is strong enough to significantly alter the serotonin system, and when tryptophan enters the brain that was altered by rue, it perhaps converts more tryptophan to indigenous tryptamines, thats my theory

Try it out! Oh and btw if your worried about serotonin syndrome from tryptohan and rue, dont worry, ive taken high amounts of tryptophan before on 7g+ seeds, the risk is extremely low for any side effects let alone toxicity.

 

[TransistorBass]

* endogenous *
Sorry, I realise not all of us have English as a first language.

I'll have to try a 5g dose of Syrian Rue sometime, i guess that would be the equivalent of approx 250mg extracted harmalas so guess I'd be laying down for that one!

 

[harmala_afficianado]

* endogenous *
Sorry, I realise not all of us have English as a first language.

I'll have to try a 5g dose of Syrian Rue sometime, i guess that would be the equivalent of approx 250mg extracted harmalas so guess I'd be laying down for that one!

I would recommend eating or drinking the seeds, the effect is way more multidimensional and complete than the extract, the extract misses alot of very important things.

 

[northape]

I doubt that I've ever ventured over 8g of seeds, and even then it wasn't in a single dose but in one sitting. Certainly, there is more to explore...
Over 5g usually leads me to nausea land where any movement will lead to purging. At higher doses rue is indeed quite psychedelic by itself.
Just a tiny bit of dmt plant on top lifts that nausea of higher doses for me. I've never tried tryptophan with it, but it does sound interesting.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I doubt that I've ever ventured over 8g of seeds, and even then it wasn't in a single dose but in one sitting. Certainly, there is more to explore...
Over 5g usually leads me to nausea land where any movement will lead to purging. At higher doses rue is indeed quite psychedelic by itself.
Just a tiny bit of dmt plant on top lifts that nausea of higher doses for me. I've never tried tryptophan with it, but it does sound interesting.

Rue is infinite, the possibilites with it are endless, there is no celing to it, but i havent been able to take more than 13g, other than the 30gs i took years ago (spaced out throughout the day) that showed me everything i needed to see and made me fall in love with rue, i went to heaven and came back, till this day i cannot forget the feelings i felt that day, even though idk what those feelings really are.

Ime, rue becomes an almost entirely different substance when you go past 7g, the only words i have to describe it is timeless and infinite.

Also, i think cannabis is essential for turning rue+tryptophan into tryptamine, not sure how tho, but it plays a huge role.

 

[Panpsychic]

Rue is infinite, the possibilites with it are endless, there is no celing to it, but i havent been able to take more than 13g, other than the 30gs i took years ago (spaced out throughout the day) that showed me everything i needed to see and made me fall in love with rue, i went to heaven and came back, till this day i cannot forget the feelings i felt that day, even though idk what those feelings really are.

Ime, rue becomes an almost entirely different substance when you go past 7g, the only words i have to describe it is timeless and infinite.

Interesting indeed. Where the brave venture rewards can be found.

Also, i think cannabis is essential for turning rue+tryptophan into tryptamine, not sure how tho, but it plays a huge role.

Have you tried the Rue with Tryptophan by itself without the cannabis? Or even Rue + Tryptophan with other things like nutmeg?

I would recommend eating or drinking the seeds, the effect is way more multidimensional and complete than the extract, the extract misses alot of very important things.

Are you recommending eating seeds over brewing the tea, so you think it makes a significant difference? Nausea is generally what puts people of consumption of seeds themselves.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Have you tried the Rue with Tryptophan by itself without the cannabis? Or even Rue + Tryptophan with other things like nutmeg?

I have tried tryptophan+rue alone, the tryptophan just makes the rue feel abit like sleepy mdma, but with minimal extra psychedelia, i think the most significant synergy is cannabis+tryptophan, its like the high from cannabis needs serotonin in your system to work, and taking a high amount of a tryptophan supplement about 3 hours before will make the high wayy stronger with a 5ht2a feeling and even mild oevs, add rue on top of that and it pretty much feels like an aya trip.

You also need to time it well, i usually take the rue and wait for the peak to wear off abit then take the tryptophan and then smoke 3 hours later, but maybe at lower rue doses it would be fine, its just that i cant smoke cannabis during the peak if i wanna "chill", if you would dose high on the rue then its better to wait after the peak imo, about 3-5 hours after taking the rue

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Are you recommending eating seeds over brewing the tea, so you think it makes a significant difference? Nausea is generally what puts people of consumption of seeds themselves.

Yes, i was drinking tea daily at first, but when i bought a grinder and ground the seeds i never looked back, tea isnt bad but if your looking for the full experience you have to swallow the seeds crushed

 

[Panpsychic]

Yes, i was drinking tea daily at first, but when i bought a grinder and ground the seeds i never looked back, tea isnt bad but if your looking for the full experience you have to swallow the seeds crushed

So usually I would consider a standard 'dose' as 3g rue seeds boiled and strained for at least half an hour, repeated three times.
What would you say would be recommended amount for eating the ground seeds directly? Also do you have any tips for helping consumption, because the taste of the tea itself is not very pleasant, let alone munching down larger amounts of seeds.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

So usually I would consider a standard 'dose' as 3g rue seeds boiled and strained for at least half an hour, repeated three times.
What would you say would be recommended amount for eating the ground seeds directly? Also do you have any tips for helping consumption, because the taste of the tea itself is not very pleasant, let alone munching down larger amounts of seeds.

If you drink 3g tea, then start with 1.5-2g ground up, when i switched from tea to powdering the seeds i went down from 12-9g, i just put them in capsules and swallow, no taste at all and it works perfectly.

 

[Panpsychic]

If you drink 3g tea, then start with 1.5-2g ground up, when i switched from tea to powdering the seeds i went down from 12-9g, i just put them in capsules and swallow, no taste at all and it works perfectly.

Thanks, I'll probably still put the ground seeds into a bit of liquid and just swish it down.

I'm also curious if a combined method will be good, since boiling it definitely brings out the harmalas for faster absorption, so perhaps a quick half hour boil and then consuming the tea but also eating the ground seed residue may be the most effective way for full effects but also speed of activation.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Thanks, I'll probably still put the ground seeds into a bit of liquid and just swish it down.

I have tried it before, it tasted almost as bad as tea, not much difference.

I'm also curious if a combined method will be good, since boiling it definitely brings out the harmalas for faster absorption, so perhaps a quick half hour boil and then consuming the tea but also eating the ground seed residue may be the most effective way for full effects but also speed of activation.

I haven't tried it before, but considering that not all the compounds in the seed go to the tea, it will probably do something, give it a try.

But tbh i dont think the onset from tea is that much quicker than eating the seeds, i think with eating the seeds the peak is just longer but at the same time its more potent with the same amount so i dont think boiling will benefit that much.

 

[northape]

I prefer the tea because it gives a more seamless experience. Eating seeds never promotes uniform digestion. Yes, you get more out of them, but you can as well drink a bigger dose. Capsules are an absolute no-no for me. They slow down digestion, dissolve in an unpredictable manner, and hide the taste, which is part of the medicine. That's my take on it.

 

[Panpsychic]

But tbh i dont think the onset from tea is that much quicker than eating the seeds, i think with eating the seeds the peak is just longer but at the same time its more potent with the same amount so i dont think boiling will benefit that much.

The peak may just be longer because the capsules are taking longer to dissolve via slow release and likewise the Harmalas in the ground rue are taking longer to be absorbed by the gut.
You can also just drink more tea to extend the effects as you go. In fact some have gone on for many hours through topping up tea and smoking over an extended time.

I will need to compare but I am doubtful that ground seeds are going to be significantly more of an experience than strongly brewed tea. I mean its a fairly universal method to increase absorption by boiling something, many seeds or plants could likewise potentially be more 'potent' if we just ground them and eat them, but that is not necessarily the best way to consume and may include other less desirable effects.

Anyhow I will give the ground seeds method a go through swishing with juice rather than adding another layer of barrier by encapsulating, and see if it it worth it based on potency, duration, overall effects and nasuea vs strongly brewed tea.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

The peak may just be longer because the capsules are taking longer to dissolve via slow release and likewise the Harmalas in the ground rue are taking longer to be absorbed by the gut.
You can also just drink more tea to extend the effects as you go. In fact some have gone on for many hours through topping up tea and smoking over an extended time.

I will need to compare but I am doubtful that ground seeds are going to be significantly more of an experience than strongly brewed tea. I mean its a fairly universal method to increase absorption by boiling something, many seeds or plants could likewise potentially be more 'potent' if we just ground them and eat them, but that is not necessarily the best way to consume and may include other less desirable effects.

Anyhow I will give the ground seeds method a go through swishing with juice rather than adding another layer of barrier by encapsulating, and see if it it worth it based on potency, duration, overall effects and nasuea vs strongly brewed tea.

Personally with capsules i feel it 20 mins in and after 1 hour the visuals start to pop up, by 2 hours ive mostly peaked, same thing with tea, its just the tea peaks by 2 hours and comes down quicker.

And i agree it might cause more side effects than with tea, but its just a part of the experience for me, also the thing that is most noticable with ground seeds compared to tea is that the rue spirit has a stronger and a way more clear presence, tea just feels like something is missing ime, but its good if your not fully used to rue to avoid potential physical side effects.

Lmk how it goes for you

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I prefer the tea because it gives a more seamless experience. Eating seeds never promotes uniform digestion. Yes, you get more out of them, but you can as well drink a bigger dose. Capsules are an absolute no-no for me. They slow down digestion, dissolve in an unpredictable manner, and hide the taste, which is part of the medicine. That's my take on it.

I mean it seems pretty consistent with me, onset in 20-30 mins, strong effects in 1 hr, peak by 2-2.5, and it comes down alot slower the tea, and the rue afterglow is one my favorite aspects of the experience.

I agree tho that the taste is an important part and contributes to the experience, but i think after becoming tolerant to rue and the rue spirit is now a part of you, i think its not as important, ive tasted the stuff way more than i can count and i got really tired

 

[Panpsychic]

Personally with capsules i feel it 20 mins in and after 1 hour the visuals start to pop up, by 2 hours ive mostly peaked, same thing with tea, its just the tea peaks by 2 hours and comes down quicker.

And i agree it might cause more side effects than with tea, but its just a part of the experience for me, also the thing that is most noticable with ground seeds compared to tea is that the rue spirit has a stronger and a way more clear presence, tea just feels like something is missing ime, but its good if your not fully used to rue to avoid potential physical side effects.

Lmk how it goes for you

I will update, in fact I am doing this right now as I had planned to partake today. I started with a low dose, ground up 1.5g rue seeds and swished with half a glass of pulpy orange and mango juice. Tasted almost nothing as I gulped it down, easier to drink than the tea in fact since it was just like a shot. So I won't be bothering with capping. Adding ground seeds to liquid is also still very much aligned with the Soma theory ("Soma" meaning 'to pound or press') which is nice also.

Anyway, looking forward to exploring this method of intake.
Tbh, I always felt from experience that consuming the Rue, either via tea or now this method was the proper way to do justice to it and full effects anyway. Which is why I was never really big on Changa, I get the appeal of Palmers (alleged) creation but ultimately its a convenience way and not really being fully true to the Rue or Caapi and what they can bring IMO.

As for the "Rue spirit", I suppose I don't really think in those terms, but God Consciousness is plenty accessible through the Harmala + DMT and has been for some time. If it intensifies further...I am planning a heavy dose of enhanced leaf in an hour or so, so we will see.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I will update, in fact I am doing this right now as I had planned to partake today. I started with a low dose, ground up 1.5g rue tea and swished with half a glass of pulpy orange and mango juice. Tasted almost nothing as I gulped it down, easier to drink than the tea in fact since it was just like a shot. So I won't be bothering with capping. Adding ground seeds to liquid is also still very much aligned with the Soma theory ("Soma" meaning 'to pound or press') which is nice also.

I think i will try it again, just to see if tasting it will affect the experience anyway, but gulping down 6g powder is gonna be hard, been a while since i tasted rue tbh.

As for the "Rue spirit", I suppose I don't really think in those terms, but God Consciousness is plenty accessible through the Harmala + DMT and has been for some time. If it intensifies further...I am planning a heavy dose of enhanced leaf in an hour or so, so we will see.

God consciousness is accessible without anything, rue and other plants are just teachers for you to go there, for me the rue spirit is a spiritual guide, a very powerful and a very wise one, the spirit doesnt like most people who take the rue, thats why rue is undesirable to most people, but if you keep on taking the rue sooner or later you will be friends with the spirit, after that happens, all the voices in your head completely vanish, and the only voice is the entity and you, it doesnt communicate with you directly tho, and doesnt approuch you but you can still feel the presence, and it will guide you towards good in everything, it literally taught me how to walk lol, i learnt that even the way you walk changes alot of things we dont notice.

Im not the guy to trust any entity when tripping, the harmala entity is the only entity that i know for a fact has good intentions.

 

[Panpsychic]

I think i will try it again, just to see if tasting it will affect the experience anyway, but gulping down 6g powder is gonna be hard, been a while since i tasted rue tbh.

Yes try it again, pulpy juice or smoothies that suspend the ground Rue will work best then you wont have to do all that capping.

God consciousness is accessible without anything, rue and other plants are just teachers for you to go there, for me the rue spirit is a spiritual guide, a very powerful and a very wise one, the spirit doesnt like most people who take the rue, thats why rue is undesirable to most people, but if you keep on taking the rue sooner or later you will be friends with the spirit, after that happens, all the voices in your head completely vanish, and the only voice is the entity and you, it doesnt communicate with you directly tho, and doesnt approuch you but you can still feel the presence, and it will guide you towards good in everything, it literally taught me how to walk lol, i learnt that even the way you walk changes alot of things we dont notice.

Im not the guy to trust any entity when tripping, the harmala entity is the only entity that i know for a fact has good intentions.

These are lenses or frames. Psychedelics including Rue (+ DMT) are doorways to commune with that prescence of God to varying degrees.
I am familar with consuming Rue as tea for some years now along with smoked DMT. The prescence of that which is beyond, the Transcendent Other is what has been the guiding principle revealed in ever more subtle yet direct ways. 'Entities' are not something I have ever experienced, but perhaps they are a different take on what someone may describe if they had had similar experiences to me.

I may explore taking Rue more frequently now. Tbh the effort to brew the tea even in large batches and then drinking the unpleasant tea each day was off-putting, and I have also used it always in tandem with the DMT but consuming it like this is very much more feasable as a stand alone Elixir with the DMT aiding the wings from time to time.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Tbh the effort to brew the tea even in large batches and then drinking the unpleasant tea each day was off-putting,

The only thing that really made a signficant difference with the taste for me is a tablespoon of cacao or cocoa powder, it masks the taste of the tea very well, try it, it can also enhance the rue in a really good way.