Syrian rue+cannabis+tryptophan=dmt?

[harmala_afficianado]

Im not sure how the combo works exactly, but it feels almost identical to my past psilohuasca trips.

Tryptophan in itself has a significant interaction with cannabis, it feels like it lowers any tolerance you have to cannabis, and makes the high alot more psychedelic with potential oevs and cevs.

Now with rue in the mix it feels like a full on trip, with vivid visuals both open and closed eye, and the closed eye visuals feel almost like dmt, flying through different dimensions and seeing beings there etc, with also a significant psychedelic afterglow the next day.

I feel like the maoi from 5g+ of rue is strong enough to significantly alter the serotonin system, and when tryptophan enters the brain that was altered by rue, it perhaps converts more tryptophan to indigenous tryptamines, thats my theory

Try it out! Oh and btw if your worried about serotonin syndrome from tryptohan and rue, dont worry, ive taken high amounts of tryptophan before on 7g+ seeds, the risk is extremely low for any side effects let alone toxicity.

 

[TransistorBass]

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Sorry, I realise not all of us have English as a first language.

I'll have to try a 5g dose of Syrian Rue sometime, i guess that would be the equivalent of approx 250mg extracted harmalas so guess I'd be laying down for that one!

 

[harmala_afficianado]

* endogenous *
Sorry, I realise not all of us have English as a first language.

I'll have to try a 5g dose of Syrian Rue sometime, i guess that would be the equivalent of approx 250mg extracted harmalas so guess I'd be laying down for that one!

I would recommend eating or drinking the seeds, the effect is way more multidimensional and complete than the extract, the extract misses alot of very important things.

 

[northape]

I doubt that I've ever ventured over 8g of seeds, and even then it wasn't in a single dose but in one sitting. Certainly, there is more to explore...
Over 5g usually leads me to nausea land where any movement will lead to purging. At higher doses rue is indeed quite psychedelic by itself.
Just a tiny bit of dmt plant on top lifts that nausea of higher doses for me. I've never tried tryptophan with it, but it does sound interesting.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I doubt that I've ever ventured over 8g of seeds, and even then it wasn't in a single dose but in one sitting. Certainly, there is more to explore...
Over 5g usually leads me to nausea land where any movement will lead to purging. At higher doses rue is indeed quite psychedelic by itself.
Just a tiny bit of dmt plant on top lifts that nausea of higher doses for me. I've never tried tryptophan with it, but it does sound interesting.

Rue is infinite, the possibilites with it are endless, there is no celing to it, but i havent been able to take more than 13g, other than the 30gs i took years ago (spaced out throughout the day) that showed me everything i needed to see and made me fall in love with rue, i went to heaven and came back, till this day i cannot forget the feelings i felt that day, even though idk what those feelings really are.

Ime, rue becomes an almost entirely different substance when you go past 7g, the only words i have to describe it is timeless and infinite.

Also, i think cannabis is essential for turning rue+tryptophan into tryptamine, not sure how tho, but it plays a huge role.

 

[Panpsychic]

Rue is infinite, the possibilites with it are endless, there is no celing to it, but i havent been able to take more than 13g, other than the 30gs i took years ago (spaced out throughout the day) that showed me everything i needed to see and made me fall in love with rue, i went to heaven and came back, till this day i cannot forget the feelings i felt that day, even though idk what those feelings really are.

Ime, rue becomes an almost entirely different substance when you go past 7g, the only words i have to describe it is timeless and infinite.

Interesting indeed. Where the brave venture rewards can be found.

Also, i think cannabis is essential for turning rue+tryptophan into tryptamine, not sure how tho, but it plays a huge role.

Have you tried the Rue with Tryptophan by itself without the cannabis? Or even Rue + Tryptophan with other things like nutmeg?

I would recommend eating or drinking the seeds, the effect is way more multidimensional and complete than the extract, the extract misses alot of very important things.

Are you recommending eating seeds over brewing the tea, so you think it makes a significant difference? Nausea is generally what puts people of consumption of seeds themselves.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Have you tried the Rue with Tryptophan by itself without the cannabis? Or even Rue + Tryptophan with other things like nutmeg?

I have tried tryptophan+rue alone, the tryptophan just makes the rue feel abit like sleepy mdma, but with minimal extra psychedelia, i think the most significant synergy is cannabis+tryptophan, its like the high from cannabis needs serotonin in your system to work, and taking a high amount of a tryptophan supplement about 3 hours before will make the high wayy stronger with a 5ht2a feeling and even mild oevs, add rue on top of that and it pretty much feels like an aya trip.

You also need to time it well, i usually take the rue and wait for the peak to wear off abit then take the tryptophan and then smoke 3 hours later, but maybe at lower rue doses it would be fine, its just that i cant smoke cannabis during the peak if i wanna "chill", if you would dose high on the rue then its better to wait after the peak imo, about 3-5 hours after taking the rue

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Are you recommending eating seeds over brewing the tea, so you think it makes a significant difference? Nausea is generally what puts people of consumption of seeds themselves.

Yes, i was drinking tea daily at first, but when i bought a grinder and ground the seeds i never looked back, tea isnt bad but if your looking for the full experience you have to swallow the seeds crushed

 

[Panpsychic]

Yes, i was drinking tea daily at first, but when i bought a grinder and ground the seeds i never looked back, tea isnt bad but if your looking for the full experience you have to swallow the seeds crushed

So usually I would consider a standard 'dose' as 3g rue seeds boiled and strained for at least half an hour, repeated three times.
What would you say would be recommended amount for eating the ground seeds directly? Also do you have any tips for helping consumption, because the taste of the tea itself is not very pleasant, let alone munching down larger amounts of seeds.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

So usually I would consider a standard 'dose' as 3g rue seeds boiled and strained for at least half an hour, repeated three times.
What would you say would be recommended amount for eating the ground seeds directly? Also do you have any tips for helping consumption, because the taste of the tea itself is not very pleasant, let alone munching down larger amounts of seeds.

If you drink 3g tea, then start with 1.5-2g ground up, when i switched from tea to powdering the seeds i went down from 12-9g, i just put them in capsules and swallow, no taste at all and it works perfectly.

 

[Panpsychic]

If you drink 3g tea, then start with 1.5-2g ground up, when i switched from tea to powdering the seeds i went down from 12-9g, i just put them in capsules and swallow, no taste at all and it works perfectly.

Thanks, I'll probably still put the ground seeds into a bit of liquid and just swish it down.

I'm also curious if a combined method will be good, since boiling it definitely brings out the harmalas for faster absorption, so perhaps a quick half hour boil and then consuming the tea but also eating the ground seed residue may be the most effective way for full effects but also speed of activation.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Thanks, I'll probably still put the ground seeds into a bit of liquid and just swish it down.

I have tried it before, it tasted almost as bad as tea, not much difference.

I'm also curious if a combined method will be good, since boiling it definitely brings out the harmalas for faster absorption, so perhaps a quick half hour boil and then consuming the tea but also eating the ground seed residue may be the most effective way for full effects but also speed of activation.

I haven't tried it before, but considering that not all the compounds in the seed go to the tea, it will probably do something, give it a try.

But tbh i dont think the onset from tea is that much quicker than eating the seeds, i think with eating the seeds the peak is just longer but at the same time its more potent with the same amount so i dont think boiling will benefit that much.