Syrian Rue tea daily use

[korpione]

Anyone who used Syrian Rue seeds on daily basis can answer some of those questions please.
I have tried it 2 times + once with liberty caps always in bed with sensory deprivation.
I noticed that when I try to walk I'm very dizzy and everything is spinning around me

-how taking it during the day differs from the night trip?
-what's your favourite time to take it?
-have you tried it during REM phase in the morning?
-have you experienced serious side effects?
-I'm logical and lack of spontaneity, can I unlock my artistic side with harmala?
-is safe to use 4g of seeds in tea for 2/3 days in a row or should I make a pause in between?
-how many hours should I fast before the drink?
-can some honey/sugar and fresh ginger be mixed in the tea?
-is it dehydrating to the body?
-what are your favorite activities to do on it?
-Does it work on some parts of the bodies or chakras? I noticed I can hold the breath for very long or maybe it's just altered perception of time?
-does it work with kundalini energy?
-other things that I should know?

Useful links to other forums or sites are also welcomed.
Here is one I find informational: The spirit of Syrian Rue ... collected experiences - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Clean and straight answers please. Many may benefit from it in future.
Thank you

 

[Legarto Rey]

Harmala micro-dosing, regularly, can be advocated. In particular, regular exposure to lower "doses" can reduce the uncomfortable nature of enteral tryptamine catalyzing requirements. In general, harmalas, rue or caapi, are safe and effective used judiciously.

Your interrogations are WAY too, specific/personal, to be answered, wisely. Inform yourself, engage advisedly, you will likely be rewarded. Harmalas are super, alone and in combo!

Peace

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Allow me to share a bit about my experiences of using Syrian Rue as a simple infused tea daily for about the past 3 weeks.

Dosage is 1 teaspoon, level or heaped according to whim, equivalent to 2 - 4 g, roughly. With this same portion of seeds I make three extractions using a coffee percolator which are drunk separately throughout the day. Effects on mood, demeanour and socialisation have been pretty positive overall. Health has also been good, with an overall improvement in a chronic skin condition.

For me, intention appears to become magnified. Set your personal development goals carefully.

There may be a certain amount of diuretic effect besides that resulting from drinking an extra 1.5L of water per day. Any resulting dehydration can be overcome by drinking more water while paying attention to necessary salt intake.


Today I made the brew a bit stronger than usual and was unable to drink a second cup - the flavour, while not the most pleasant in the first place, became repellent to me whereas beforehand I had been able to accept it in a similar way to the strong, bitter taste of coffee. Sometimes I've had to sweeten it with honey although this was typically after adding about 10mL of a 25%-acetic-acid-based plant extract. Either way, a teaspoon of honey makes the tea considerably more palatable.

Overall this suggests that if you're willing to pay attention to what your body tells you, sensible dosing is straightforward enough to keep a handle on.

Search through the forums and wiki here, they really are most excellent resources for those willing to put the time into locating quality information. And Please pay special attention to the substances and medicaments that are incompatible with harmalas. And, as always, YMMV.

Be good to you, grow cactus too.

 

[Legarto Rey]

Incidentally, ground rue seeds, encapsulated or even full spectrum extracts(easily had) are both ergonomic and titratable modes of consort with harmalas. Nausea and "la maracion", do diminish as one habituates to the medicine. Additionally, dietary and pharmacologic restrictions are, in general, way over emphasized re RIMAs. Irreversible MAOIs are a different story.

Peace

 

[Hotspur922]

I have capsules of rue,

will I have any trippy effects while taking 4 grams in caps daily?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

dietary and pharmacologic restrictions are, in general, way over emphasized re RIMAs. Irreversible MAOIs are a different story.

That's by-and-large true with rue, although I still reckon it's prudent to avoid eating large amounts of amine-rich foods such as ripe cheeses, yeast extract, pickled fish and preserved meats when using it. I found some of these, as well as some spices, to cause insommnia and I can now understand the significance of the so-called 'ayahuasca diet' from practical experience. But, overall, daily rue use seemed entirely compatible with a healthy, mostly vegetarian diet.

Pharmacologically, I found rue to make mescaline seem more tryptamine-like and slightly harder on the mind, in an "oh-no-I'm-going-crazy" feeling type of way (if that makes any sense). I can safely report that I failed to keel over from (or notice) any sympathomimetic hypertension with this combo.

Low dose nutmeg tincture produced a visionary state after a period of meditation but it seemed that this combination would be potentially dangerous (cardiovascular/convulsant?) with a higher dose of nutmeg so I'd advise people to steer clear of that one. There are enzyme interactions that would require a particularly adept understanding to work with safely there.

will I have any trippy effects while taking 4 grams in caps daily?

It is reported that somewhere over 10%, and certainly less than 50%, of people using Syrian rue ("only the gifted") receive visions. Best just to accept it for what it is, however that manifests for you.

 

[Hotspur922]

Thank you, I ingested 3 grams rue with 2 grams P.allenii a few months ago and had a terrible nightmare trip... the rue def potentiated the shrooms 10 fold and the visuals were intense, very intense at least until I blacked out from psychosis

never ingested rue by itself...

what dose is good to start with and build up to what?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I haven't actually weighed my doses, I've just used a teaspoon from the cutlery drawer. Some of my teaspoons are bigger than others (or smaller, but technically they're coffee spoons) and my choice of spoon has entirely depended on how I felt at that particular moment, as has whether I used a heaped or level spoonful, or more than one spoonful, and whether I added ascorbic acid to the brew or not.

That said, I started low and built up slowly like any sensible person would (sadly, that doesn't make me sensible).

 

[Hotspur922]

haha, I get you Downward.

I have plenty of rue so I will start with 2 half gram caps and go from there, I'll be back to update on my exp.

Thank you

 

[AlbertChemist]

I'm also curious what a good dose would be for daily use.

On a related note, what would the maximum safe dose be?

I have had tremendously good results with Ibogaine as a neurogenerative "tonic". I am looking for something safer though, and so tetrahydroharmine or, more crudely, rue tea would seem like a good alternative.

 

[Hyper Turtle]

Allow me to share a bit about my experiences of using Syrian Rue as a simple infused tea daily for about the past 3 weeks.

Dosage is 1 teaspoon, level or heaped according to whim, equivalent to 2 - 4 g, roughly. With this same portion of seeds I make three extractions using a coffee percolator which are drunk separately throughout the day. Effects on mood, demeanour and socialisation have been pretty positive overall. Health has also been good, with an overall improvement in a chronic skin condition.

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From what i understand, around 5-6g potentially toxic territory starts. If the 2-4g range doesn't do it for you, it might be better to use extracted rue alkaloids. I have personnally had up to 750mg harmalas HCl without any problems - not daily of course My sweet spot is around 350mg (also not daily), which is about double than would be typical for my weight.

In any case, please don't start by seeking the upper limit. Start low, work your way up in reasonable increments. I was predicted to need ~180mg, started with 120, then 150, 180, 210, 250, before trying more.

 

[AlbertChemist]

From what i understand, around 5-6g potentially toxic territory starts. If the 2-4g range doesn't do it for you, it might be better to use extracted rue alkaloids. I have personnally had up to 750mg harmalas HCl without any problems - not daily of course My sweet spot is around 350mg (also not daily), which is about double than would be typical for my weight.

In any case, please don't start by seeking the upper limit. Start low, work your way up in reasonable increments. I was predicted to need ~180mg, started with 120, then 150, 180, 210, 250, before trying more.

May I ask, when you take the tea regularly what dietary precautions do you take? Do you avoid foods with high tyramine content etc...?

 

[korpione]

I haven't experienced with daily use but I noticed that Syrian Rue goes well with earplugs, darkness and bed. Start relaxing and deepening your breath. Try to concentrate on the sounds and your spine.

Also if you don't get anything, don't say "this doesn't work". Once I waited for 2-3h without effect and then I ate a grapefruit. The effect kicked in and I threw up few times that that acid grapefruit while everything was spinning around me. It seemed to be that the tea was stuck in my stomach and didn't want to go further for some reason..

 

[Sabnock1990]

From what i understand, around 5-6g potentially toxic territory starts. If the 2-4g range doesn't do it for you, it might be better to use extracted rue alkaloids. I have personnally had up to 750mg harmalas HCl without any problems - not daily of course My sweet spot is around 350mg (also not daily), which is about double than would be typical for my weight.

In any case, please don't start by seeking the upper limit. Start low, work your way up in reasonable increments. I was predicted to need ~180mg, started with 120, then 150, 180, 210, 250, before trying more.

May I ask, when you take the tea regularly what dietary precautions do you take? Do you avoid foods with high tyramine content etc...?

I've personally consumed Rue extensively, daily/near daily, with some off time here and there, since 2012, i've never restricted any foods or followed any diet. Tyramine is generally not an issue with reversible MAO-A inhibition, so no dietary restrictions are necessary. Low dosages, moderate dosages, high dosages, strong dosages, heavy dosages, doesn't matter, Tyramine isn't an issue.

 

[dithyramb]

İndividual metabolism might also be a factor. I got the hypertensive headache a few times, eating aged cheese or drinking kombucha after rue experiences.

As for daily rue... I have done it before, mostly in the context of dieting the plant. I am extremely sensitive to rue, i cannot go on with daily life even with one gram. İt might be long term reverse tolerance.

 

[Sabnock1990]

İndividual metabolism might also be a factor. I got the hypertensive headache a few times, eating aged cheese or drinking kombucha after rue experiences.

As for daily rue... I have done it before, mostly in the context of dieting the plant. I am extremely sensitive to rue, i cannot go on with daily life even with one gram. İt might be long term reverse tolerance.

Are you absolutely sure it was a hypertensive headache and not a headache due to another cause? Rue/Harmalas can sometimes cause headaches, by at least a few other means, doesn't mean it boils down to Tyramine. How does one gram of Rue feel to you? Do you think you're low in CYP2D6 therefore need a low dosage of Rue? What's it like for you to consume Rue regularly? Do you do it at night or before bed, or do you do it during the day? At night or before bed is best, as during the day it can interfere with functioning in moderate to high to strong dosages.

 

[dithyramb]

I was not so sensitive when I first started drinking rue, more than ten years ago.

I cannot drink it before going to bed either as it interferes with my sleep most of the time. If I am able to sleep somehow, I get the most vivid and magical dreams. But most of the time I cannot sleep.

The way I drank it everyday was at most for 5 consecutive days, drinking multiple doses per day 2-3-4 g, totalling at most 20g. I can only do this under strictly isolated dieting conditions.

Rue just cannot become a daily pill for me...

Yes I am absolutely sure they were hypertensive headaches. I have drank rue perhaps 2000 times. It takes away any preexisting headache I might have, if anything. Those few times I had a headache I either ate aged cheese or drank kombucha right after the experience. And the headache was very characteristic, a sharp, excruciating pain at the back of my head and neck, taking a full day to disappear.

I also believe that the restrictions on rue does not have to be as strict as with non-reversible maois. I have mixed rue with mistletoe also, which is said to contain tyramine and experienced no ill effects. I am guessing there are some other complex factors and dynamics going on.

 

[korpione]

The way I drank it everyday was at most for 5 consecutive days, drinking multiple doses per day 2-3-4 g, totalling at most 20g. I can only do this under strictly isolated dieting conditions.

Rue just cannot become a daily pill for me...

Yes I am absolutely sure they were hypertensive headaches. I have drank rue perhaps 2000 times. It takes away any preexisting headache I might have, if anything. Those few times I had a headache I either ate aged cheese or drank kombucha right after the experience. And the headache was very characteristic, a sharp, excruciating pain at the back of my head and neck, taking a full day to disappear.

Can you explain why you drank so much of it?
What was your goal with it?
How it made your days?

 

[AlbertChemist]

Thanks for sharing this info. In that case maybe I'll try to nibble a small piece of aged cheese with it to see how it goes.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Thanks for sharing this info. In that case maybe I'll try to nibble a small piece of aged cheese with it to see how it goes.

That's the spirit. Good to know some out there are up for some experimentation, trial and error, figuring things out. Do report back.