syrian rue

[Gamereaper]

hi quick question. does boiling syrian rue UNCRUSHED with lemon juice extract the main chemical sufficient enough?

 

[Apoc]

yes

 

[Gamereaper]

thank you because i am having a very hard time crushing this.

 

[endlessness]

It will work but it will extract less alkaloids, I suggest crushing them up. Dont you have a blender? Or even mortar and pestle. Or put it in a strong bag and hammer the bag.. ?

 

[SHroomtroll]

3grams with some vinegar and light boiling for 20mins always made the trick for me. no crushing needed.

Also would crushing them in a blender release more toxins?

I always liked the fact of boiling whole rue seeds is that you don´t need to eat any parts of the seed.

 

[Gamereaper]

no i dont :/ i tryed the back of a screw driver but it didnt work

 

[clouds]

use a rock... (while screaming like a monkey)

 

[Gamereaper]

:0 a rock thats a great idea lol im gunna do that

 

[DoctorMantus]

Or put it in a strong bag and hammer the bag..

This Does Work Be sure to Wear Saftey Glasses

 

[Ayawasqero]

Useful advices.

 

[godling]

use a rock... (while screaming like a monkey)

BWWHHHAHAHAAAHHAAA!!!!

hilarious...





i want to understand something... why are we giving him advice on how to crush the seeds... i thought the whole point of this question was to avoid the TOXINS.... crushing the seeds will release the toxins...as already mentioned a few times, boiling them whole with a small amount of vinegar or lemon or lime or oranges(kinda "tasty") will avoid taking in these toxins...to make up for the loss in alkaloids add some more rue to compensate... but follow carefully


..with all the love that i possess

 

[MelCat]

Godling - while it also allows the toxins to surface, crushing the seeds will also allow more of the goodies to surface as well.

When you do a proper manske on the extracted alkaloids, you will end up with a purer product in the end regardless of how many toxins are in the soup.

 

[jamie]

What are these sopposed toxins anyway in rue? The only reference I can find ever is from shulgin who was speculating at best..Everything I have read just says that they can be used early on in pregnancy as an abortant..but nowhere are these alkaloids directly linked to human toxicity..just saying...

 

[gibran2]

Here’s a quote from another thread:

From what I’ve read, vasicine and vasicinone, other than having abortifacient properties (pregnant women should stay far away from these alkaloids), are actually beneficial health-wise:

… has been recommended by Ayurvedic physicians for the management of various types of respiratory disorders. It possesses potent bronchodilatory, expectorant, anti-spasmodic and anti-septic properties. It also possesses significant antimicrobial activity against gingival inflammation and pyorrhea. It has also shown Uterine stimulant activity, moderate hypotensive activity and thrombopoeitic activity.
…
Recent investigations on vasicine showed bronchodilatory activity comparable to theophylline, which is a methylxanthine drug used in therapy for respiratory diseases such as COPD or asthma.

Here’s the source of the quote.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Well, regardless of whether the other alkaloids are toxic or not, they're neither harmala alkaloids, nor RIMA's. So not removing them only pads your yield and makes it seem like you have more harmalas then you really do...something else to consider.

 

[gibran2]

Well, regardless of whether the other alkaloids are toxic or not, they're neither harmala alkaloids, nor RIMA's. So not removing them only pads your yield and makes it seem like you have more harmalas then you really do...something else to consider.

Good point.

On the other hand, there’s no doubt some loss of MAOI alkaloids when doing a Manske, so it’s a trade-off between purity and yield (as always).

 

[endlessness]

I disagree, I have noticed 0 loss of harmalas when doing a manske (but definitely some loss when doing freebase precipitations). Did you experience otherwise or are you saying theoretically?

 

[jamie]

I didnt know they made it through a manske..I have never felt one hint of toxicity or anything else alarming with manske precipitated xtals..and I didnt even clean them..they are like amber crystals. I will soon experiment with rue tea unextracted as well and see how that goes compared to extracted xtals, and caapi tea.

I also had a lowered yeild from the same seeds with a freebase precip endless.

 

[gibran2]

I disagree, I have noticed 0 loss of harmalas when doing a manske (but definitely some loss when doing freebase precipitations). Did you experience otherwise or are you saying theoretically?

Here’s what I did – I weighed out some dry alkaloids extracted from rue (no Manske). I performed a Manske extraction, freebased the resultant alkaloids, dried them and weighed again. There was a loss of about 40%. This was the first time I did a Manske, and I don’t think I did it very efficiently. I’m sure the loss would have been much smaller with better technique, but there certainly would have still been loss. If a Manske prevents certain alkaloids from precipitating/crystallizing, then a reduced yield would be expected. If it fails to remove “undesirable” alkaloids, then why bother with a Manske at all?

Freebase conversion does not lower yield if done well. I’ve weighed dry, fairly pure freebase alkaloids, then acidified them (vinegar), re-basified, collected precipitate, cleaned and dried precipitate, and got negligible loss.

 

[jamie]

as far as i know, shulgin did a manske on rue, tested it and found only harmalas present.