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[Солярис]

thoughtsunthought

 

[tele]

OK?:surprised

 

[brokin]

There is no possible world with no society based living, with the number of population we have.

Although I do agree that even having an open mind and having the possibility of choosing ones beliefs are totally based on already existent beliefs.
To be completely free in the most strictest of ways would be to be raised in a jungle I guess.

We could discuss all day long but there are two ways of seeing Freedom.

Most people use it in an attempt to express their hatred towards they leaders.Or "taking the wheels of their own life completely" Which is a belief system.
Off course you could argue that these freedoms are all illusions, which would be true but humans work and progress with illusions.

Normal human connections,conversations wouldn't be possible with true Freedom.
We could never cooperate that way.

Barriers are the triggers of progress,evolution.
Right now Space is our barrier which we are slowly working on overcoming, just as air was a barrier.
As we evolve the need of progress needs unions of people with shared principles.

This subject is kind of brain tangling because you can turn it on all sides and there will always be true facts.

 

[Солярис]

thoughtsunthought

 

[Cosmic_Reality]

Privet Solyaris, Kak dela? Welcome!

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

Whilst others can put dismissive posts with funny faces to show their level of ignorance.

:roll:

 

[anrchy]

When you say things like "these are facts" please include sources for your "factual information"

The bliss of ignorance is embraced by freedom? What?

 

[Солярис]

thoughtsunthought

 

[anrchy]

Your statement about American ideas of freedom leading to the same power structures of control isnt resonating with me. What ideas are you referring to specifically.

Also, what normal human connections and conversations are you saying create a barrier? I'm kind of confused on your whole post really

 

[Солярис]

thoughtsunthought

 

[anrchy]

Yes it does =). And please excuse my inability to figuring out your post. I must confess, it's not really your translation to fault. The style of subject isn't my strong point. Strong philosophy along the lines of Socrates and others haven't been a strong understanding mostly due to the small amount of research that I've done.

 

[benzyme]

couldn't help but notice how weathered the soapbox is.
these are some fresh concepts i've never heard before. the title alone would
make a republican grin.

 

[anrchy]

I myself do not feel bliss from ignorance. Many Americans prefer to "know" but that isn't necessarily a fact that I'm presenting just my own experience with the people I am around personally.

My personal thought is that ignorance is slavery.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

I really enjoyed that Socrates quotation... human philosophical thinking hasn't advanced much since then. That was 2500 years (?) ago and it just helped something click in my head... the brain-machine is whirring softly.

I find myself questioning more and more, each question unfolding a layer or peeling back a membranaceous veil. Things like: what is freedom, then?
Or coming to wild conclusions like:I am about towake up; there is no such thing as what was of course the initial course.

I don't know if I believe in Truth anymore, and yet I find that I see some Truth-Order in everything daily.
DMT has been a lesson in the union of opposites, I guess, for me at least.
Or Unity generally of all of this... I get the funniest feeling when I ponder all of this, try to make sense of it - I can't tell if it's joy or sorrow.

 

[ouro]

Progress towards what?

 

[Солярис]

thoughtsunthought

 

[InMotion]

Logic and language themselves hold limitations, and are not immutable nor do they have to be true to be valid and sound arguments. This is a sound argument, until you add the clause that the logic itself is flawed and easily convoluted. Note: Sound logic does not imply truth.

So where we stand is that this whole argument has little to no bearing on reality or a so called ''truth'', and is no more valid then believing in witches on broom sticks. It is opinion put into an incomplete logical format that truly wasn't coherent until your last post. Where it appears the premiss has changed to recover from a flaw. The flaw being that the thread was designed with no real purpose but to convince yourself that your beliefs are sound by testing them on others with very little direction or proper order. All the while not really unbiasedly looking outside of yourself and the game that is being created.

Cheers

 

[Солярис]

thoughtsunthought

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

And for Parshvik Chintan, the φ║ Hermetic ┼ Hermit ║φ
Спасибо за огромную работу!
(Yes, it is a pun).

i don't speak russian..

 

[anrchy]

Logic and language themselves hold limitations, and are not immutable nor do they have to be true to be valid and sound arguments. This is a sound argument, until you add the clause that the logic itself is flawed and easily convoluted. Note: Sound logic does not imply truth.

So where we stand is that this whole argument has little to no bearing on reality or a so called ''truth'', and is no more valid then believing in witches on broom sticks. It is opinion put into an incomplete logical format that truly wasn't coherent until your last post. Where it appears the premiss has changed to recover from a flaw. The flaw being that the thread was designed with no real purpose but to convince yourself that your beliefs are sound by testing them on others with very little direction or proper order. All the while not really unbiasedly looking outside of yourself and the game that is being created.

Cheers

Who are you to say this "argument" has little to no bearing on reality?

I don't see this as an argument. I actually think there is some good information that is giving a better understanding of the mind of the posters in this thread. Yours as well.

OP please continue