Telepathy

[Franklin2100]

Here "white man" designates many things, but mostly western people. In shaman's words "nape". It isn't racial in this context, but a description of a cultural shock. He does not have a "cultural theory" neither do I as far as I can understand what you mean.


It goes without saying that "French" is not a race, but a nationality. The idea of saying that it was written in French was just to provide a historical and cultural overview that engendered the ethnography in question noted by Bruce Albert trying to organize the speeches of David Kopenawa (the shaman)

I'm being honest with my intentions, but I assume it's a little difficult to understand your line of reasoning.

You didnt answer my main question.
Why mention any of this ?

 

[Franklin2100]

Here "white man" designates many things, but mostly western people. In shaman's words "nape". It isn't racial in this context, but a description of a cultural shock. He does not have a "racial theory" neither do I as far as I can understand what you mean.


It goes without saying that "French" is not a race, but a nationality. The idea of saying that it was written in French was just to provide a historical and cultural overview that engendered the ethnography in question noted by Bruce Albert trying to organize the speeches of David Kopenawa (the shaman)

I'm being honest with my intentions, but I assume it's a little difficult to understand your line of reasoning.

"Why mention anything about race or anything about a western culture???
Like what led you to mention that?

 

[Franklin2100]

Here "white man" designates many things, but mostly western people. In shaman's words "nape". It isn't racial in this context, but a description of a cultural shock. He does not have a "racial theory" neither do I as far as I can understand what you mean.


It goes without saying that "French" is not a race, but a nationality. The idea of saying that it was written in French was just to provide a historical and cultural overview that engendered the ethnography in question noted by Bruce Albert trying to organize the speeches of David Kopenawa (the shaman)

I'm being honest with my intentions, but I assume it's a little difficult to understand your line of reasoning.

Sometimes being honest and straightforward and open leads for healing which leads to progress, and trying to manipulate or tilt things in a certain direction without a clear intention can make things seem malicious because the intention is not clear.

Overall what is being done cause way more harm than good and maybe such tactics worked before but not anymore.

 

[Franklin2100]

Here "white man" designates many things, but mostly western people. In shaman's words "nape". It isn't racial in this context, but a description of a cultural shock. He does not have a "racial theory" neither do I as far as I can understand what you mean.


It goes without saying that "French" is not a race, but a nationality. The idea of saying that it was written in French was just to provide a historical and cultural overview that engendered the ethnography in question noted by Bruce Albert trying to organize the speeches of David Kopenawa (the shaman)

I'm being honest with my intentions, but I assume it's a little difficult to understand your line of reasoning.

 

[Blind_Goat]

"Why mention anything about race or anything about a western culture???
Like what led you to mention that?

Because western culture can have a way of perceiveing reality and a Shaman another way. Thats a culture shock and and this comes close to the discussion of the objectivity of reality that VoidMatrix was mentioning. That is: the tension between different understandings of reality and the very idea of an objective reality itself. As always, an anthropology book fits well in this discussion as this is an important point for the discipline. I mentioned the last book I read that could contribute to the subject.

I think there was an overreaction/misunderstanding here.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Let's all breathe... he's talking about culture and cultural frameworks when he brings things like that up...

Also @Blind_Goat I'm not saying there's nothing objective about reality, just highlighting the limits to what we can know objectively. In many ways we seem to all be playing in a similar sandbox, if not the same one.

One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

Whoa! Let's all take a breath

@Franklin2100 also, you politicized it, not @Blind_Goat

Your mention of Russia Ukraine was childish. Just because you feel someone broke a rule doesn't mean you can too. Please don't do it again.

While everything can be politicized, it is the responsibility of each and every individual to practice temperance in how they make sure to avoid

One love

 

[Blind_Goat]

Also @Blind_Goat I'm not saying there's nothing objective about reality, just highlighting the limits to what we can know objectively. In many ways we seem to all be playing in a similar sandbox, if not the same one.

Yeah, I got it. I myself am interested more in the difference of conceptions of reality most of the time. Only a few topics I have a deeper interest in an objective approach. (Object means ob+iectum, which is latin for "placed in the front of". The problem is that always we found a bit of ourselves in our front and not "just" the object. Metaphorically speaking, the object always has a bit of reflection of ourselves in it).
I was alluding to a very fundamental difference in the conception of nature, not culture. Contemporary anthropology (like the Eduardo Viveiros de Castro works) is more inclined to assume that the tension of conceptions of nature culminate in a multi-naturalism, more than a multiculturalism because if the fundamentals are so different, what nature really is would also change.

Let's all breathe... he's talking about culture and cultural frameworks when he brings things like that up...

Whoa! Let's all take a breath

And yeah, let's take a breath for sure. Sometimes we interpret things differently because we have fundamentally different ideas of what reality is. The quarrel fits perfectly with what was being discussed, and is therefore not completely useless.

@Franklin2100 also, you politicized it, not @Blind_Goat

Your mention of Russia Ukraine was childish. Just because you feel someone broke a rule doesn't mean you can too. Please don't do it again.

I have to agree with that. I don't like to polemize, actually I feel I'm getting too old for it. Let's value peace and the smooth running of the forum. This is, for me, the most relevant thing. Likewise, I advise avoiding successive and short posts as these pollute the topic too much.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Sorry for the redundancy. I didn't see that my initial post actually posted so prepped a new response and didn't clean it up.

But yes, let's talk more about telepathy. I remember one time tripping on mushroom with some friends, I got some information that my friend wanted the cannabis pipe. We weren't sitting next to each other, we didn't look at each other, but I knew he wanted the pipe. So I got up, grabbed it, gave it to him, and all he could ask was "how the hell did you know!?" To which I just shrugged.

One love

 

[Blind_Goat]

Sorry for the redundancy. I didn't see that my initial post actually posted so prepped a new response and didn't clean it up.

Not a problem, 2 I think are ok, but @Franklin2100 got a bit too excited.

But yes, let's talk more about telepathy. I remember one time tripping on mushroom with some friends, I got some information that my friend wanted the cannabis pipe. We weren't sitting next to each other, we didn't look at each other, but I knew he wanted the pipe. So I got up, grabbed it, gave it to him, and all he could ask was "how the hell did you know!?" To which I just shrugged.

Sure, I think it is the perfect example of what I was talking about. Our capacity to feel the other can be enhanced with psychedelics (maybe in a low - medium dose?) because we have many barriers and filters to do our own business when we are sober. It is very interesting to rescue the "wow effect" that we had when we were a small child with the world. Sometimes I feel we became gradually insensible to the astonishing fact of mere existence. "Waking up" to this fact when we are under the effect of psychedelics is like waking up of a dream, being present and attentive is an important condition to understand ours and others necessities.

 

[Voidmatrix]

@Blind_Goat that's exactly why I shared this instance

I was on 6 grams and tripping harder than anyone else in this example. Not sure if the contradicts or fuels your point, but thought to add that.

Part of the reason I do psychedelics often is they help my depressed mind recapture some of the mystery, magic, and beauty in life.

One love

 

[Transform]

Sorry for the redundancy. I didn't see that my initial post actually posted so prepped a new response and didn't clean it up.

But yes, let's talk more about telepathy. I remember one time tripping on mushroom with some friends, I got some information that my friend wanted the cannabis pipe. We weren't sitting next to each other, we didn't look at each other, but I knew he wanted the pipe. So I got up, grabbed it, gave it to him, and all he could ask was "how the hell did you know!?" To which I just shrugged.

One love

TBF, it's a fair guess

 

[Animistic]

I definitely think we pick up on cues much better with psychedelics, everyone is burst wide open. I've found it easy to read people in ways that seem miraculous on psychedelics, but I think it's that all the sensory filters are knocked out and we experience more acutely the person infront of us, not just labelling them as 'Bob' experiencing this present iteration of them as a living unfolding whole. This is a big lesson I've gotten from psychedelics, how much we habitually ignore and instead replace it with a label "tree", "cloud", "wife", "dog" etc. Whereas so much information is there to be felt and seen and with practice can be somewhat touched without psychedelics.

I have experienced telepathic type phenomenon outside of psychedelic spaces and also involving people not physically present. I detailed it abit in another thread of telepathy, I'll see if I can find it later.

 

[Animistic]

I felt inspired to share a short story that has a telepathic quality to it. It touches on a couple of themes I feel are super relevant to the environment of telepathy and is one of the more concrete examples I can share from personal experience.

A friend and I sat around a fire, the previous 5 days had been spent with lots of isolation in nature and silence in our minds. Some other friends of ours went up further into the mountains for an explore.

As I sit there losing myself in the dancing flames of the fire I suddenly look up and see my friend meeting my gaze and we both look in a certain direction and then go back to looking at the fire. My body felt uncomfortable and in that moment I saw a particular friend's face (who was exploring the mountain) in my minds eye. My friend and I carried on looking at the fire, just hanging out. A few minutes later my friend says to me, "Did you feel that too?". I knew straight away what he meant, although at the time I brushed it aside, didn't make connections between all those layers of my experience. "Yeah, I had a weird sensation in my gut". We get talking and work out that in that moment we both looked at each other we both picked up on something being amiss. We both said there was no point indulging fear and stories about it and kept on carving wood or whatever it was we were doing.

A few hours had passed at this point and no one had returned. We thought it was important to stay calm but did get concerned. A few more hours later they all returned. The friend whose face I saw in my minds eye had slipped on a log crossing a creek and had badly mangled his ankle. Obviously this interested us a lot and we got to trying to work out when it had happened. We figured that the feeling that something was amiss was within the same 30 minute period as our friend hurting himself.

Had I not spent so much time in isolation and silence I doubt I would have even noticed that I saw my friends face at the same time as the feeling in my belly that something was amiss. I think these things happen all the time but we are so busy in our minds that we miss it, rationalize it away, not even notice that something has occurred in our experience because of preoccupations.

What was it exactly that made us look up, why did we look in a certain direction? The direction happened to correspond with the rough direction they were, despite the fact we thought they were going somewhere different. It is mystery, it would be too easy to write it off and yet was a truth shared between 2 friends, without any real explanation as to why or how.

From this thread: https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/threads/telepathy-is-real-take-it-or-leave-it.367464/page-2

 

[Transform]

From this thread: https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/threads/telepathy-is-real-take-it-or-leave-it.367464/page-2

What's really interesting to me here is that, in common with some of my own pinpoint-accurate telepathic experiences, there was likely a strong emotional component involved in what was going on with the person with whom you were linked. I can only presume that other people may feel certain types of intense emotion as a kind of 'electrical vibration' sensation throughout their entire bodies. If so, this would seem to be a crucial element in a possible mechanism behind the phenomenon.

Edit: Ah, that's essentially what I said in that thread as well

 

[Animistic]

What's really interesting to me here is that, in common with some of my own pinpoint-accurate telepathic experiences, there was likely a strong emotional component involved in what was going on with the person with whom you were linked. I can only presume that other people may feel certain types of intense emotion as a kind of 'electrical vibration' sensation throughout their entire bodies. If so, this would seem to be a crucial element in a possible mechanism behind the phenomenon.

Edit: Ah, that's essentially what I said in that thread as well

Yep, I totally see this as a possibility. I can experience other people's emotions as a kinaesthetic sensation in my own body. I feel like some people have more piercing emotions than others, regardless of my own feeling toward them (warm, cold or indifferent). This inner emotio-kinaesthetic sense/communication is where I think a lot of telepathic experiences happen for me (and likely for others based on conversations with others) but the manifestation is so non-linear and some of the sensations or impressions so faint that it's hard to separate signal from noise.

It's really interesting when cross referencing a group of peoples sense of something. There is often strong correlations even if you can't vocalize what exactly it means.