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Hi there :)

I hope that I am not crashing your thread. Recently I have been delving down into the rabbit hole of DMT containing plants that can grow here in NZ... Hence I ended up from here Buy Acacia floribunda Online - Southern Woods to here. It seems as though you guys are the pioneers in regards to this. Any advice please? I am still a fairly new gardener with a pre established love of natures Rongoa medicine but would like to my own living pharmacopeia. I am just beginning to wade through this thread but couldnt contain my excitement when i saw an active thread.

Thank you in Advance whanau.
 
BadlySpeltNmae said:
Hi there :)

I hope that I am not crashing your thread. Recently I have been delving down into the rabbit hole of DMT containing plants that can grow here in NZ... Hence I ended up from here Buy Acacia floribunda Online - Southern Woods to here. It seems as though you guys are the pioneers in regards to this. Any advice please? I am still a fairly new gardener with a pre established love of natures Rongoa medicine but would like to my own living pharmacopeia. I am just beginning to wade through this thread but couldnt contain my excitement when i saw an active thread.

Thank you in Advance whanau.
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Hi @BadlySpeltNmae (love the name!)

Being that you would like to grow floribunda for tryptamines it’s important that you source seed from the DMT containing form. If you pop over to Share the seeds (our sister site) I suspect someone will be able to help you. Alternatively there’s some good floribunda growing in NZ so you could locate some test it and gather the seed if it’s +ve

Thanks for popping in and look forward to your acacian contributions 🙏
 
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acacian said:
Hi @BadlySpeltNmae (love the name!)

Being that you would like to grow floribunda for tryptamines it’s important that you source seed from the DMT containing form. If you pop over to Share the seeds (our sister site) I suspect someone will be able to help you. Alternatively there’s some good floribunda growing in NZ so you could locate some test it and gather the seed if it’s +ve

Thanks for popping in and look forward to your acacian contributions 🙏
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Thank you :) the search begins
 
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Looking good @Aum. Courtii is a real quick grower. You've got some nice looking cactus there. Was wondering how your mimosa is going? Did it get through winter ok?
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Thanks Cheesechat just early days with the acacia, but my garden needs plenty of work before I start planting them out anyway.
I only learned about courtii recently, and still don't know much, keen to learn more tho. Their bigger seeds and thick taproot on the seedlings makes them pretty easy to work with so far.
Yeah ost of my mimosas survived. They looking pretty healthy again now. A couple came back to life which was cool.
 

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Thanks Cheesechat just early days with the acacia, but my garden needs plenty of work before I start planting them out anyway.
I only learned about courtii recently, and still don't know much, keen to learn more tho. Their bigger seeds and thick taproot on the seedlings makes them pretty easy to work with so far.
Yeah ost of my mimosas survived. They looking pretty healthy again now. A couple came back to life which was cool.
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WOW, they look awesome! A bit slower growing than acacia I'd imagine? They look super healthy 💪

@BadlySpeltNmae have a squiz at this thread: Research - Acacia floribunda - Workspace and information Heaps of good info. Flori in NZ will have seed pods now so it's a good time to search them out. Your links above are good options too.
 
CheeseCat said:
WOW, they look awesome! A bit slower growing than acacia I'd imagine? They look super healthy 💪

@BadlySpeltNmae have a squiz at this thread: Research - Acacia floribunda - Workspace and information Heaps of good info. Flori in NZ will have seed pods now so it's a good time to search them out. Your links above are good options too.
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Thanks, they're actually really fast in the growing months but stalled right out over winter and the positioning of my greenhouse means they only receive a couple of hours of sun a day now. I've been looking into building a walipini type greenhouse in a better area.

@BadlySpeltNmae I think some here have suggested the typical phyllode is of less interest compared to the other acuminta. I've recently started growing small seed and narrow phyllode myself
 
Aum said:
Thanks, they're actually really fast in the growing months but stalled right out over winter and the positioning of my greenhouse means they only receive a couple of hours of sun a day now. I've been looking into building a walipini type greenhouse in a better area.

@BadlySpeltNmae I think some here have suggested the typical phyllode is of less interest compared to the other acuminta. I've recently started growing small seed and narrow phyllode myself
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Seedlings are looking good @Aum and jee wizz your mimosa looks awesome!
Curious what medium you are using? At a young age I don’t think they need full sun by any means. 70% shade cloth on your greenhouse is nice gentle light. That said, if your greenhouse already has shade cloth, best to move it into a more sunny spot if at all possible.

I think typical phyllode is fine - it just has a bit different of an alkaloid composition to the narrow phyllode. But it’s still high yielding. It’s not always about pure DMT! Sometimes good to have some more broad spectrum containing plants in the psychonaughts arsenal - hence my morbid obsession with floribunda (that and it's fast growth rate, healthy phyllode content and damn beautiful vibes) 😅

Maybe typical phyllode is better suited to changa-like preparations?

Happy acacia growing!
 
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Seedlings are looking good @Aum and jee wizz your mimosa looks awesome!
Curious what medium you are using? At a young age I don’t think they need full sun by any means. 70% shade cloth on your greenhouse is nice gentle light. That said, if your greenhouse already has shade cloth, best to move it into a more sunny spot if at all possible.

I think typical phyllode is fine - it just has a bit different of an alkaloid composition to the narrow phyllode. But it’s still high yielding. It’s not always about pure DMT! Sometimes good to have some more broad spectrum containing plants in the psychonaughts arsenal - hence my morbid obsession with floribunda (that and it's fast growth rate, healthy phyllode content and damn beautiful vibes) 😅

Maybe typical phyllode is better suited to changa-like preparations?

Happy acacia growing!
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Thanks Acacian, from memory the mix was around 25 coco 30 perlite and the rest seedling mix or thereabouts. I used sand and pumice with seedling mix for the acacias

There's no shade cloth on greenhouse it's just in a bad spot for light.

Oh that's good news on typical phyllode as my largest acacia is a typical. I'll have to move it out of greenhouse and re pot. I thought I read on here they were only yielding 0.2 or something? Full spectrum is fine by me I don't mind goo over xtals
 
when i have some more time this week coming i will go through all of the acacia research posts. I have not tried any of these alkaloids as they are not typically accessible, so this is going to be a long goal but an interesting journey
 
Aum said:
Thanks Acacian, from memory the mix was around 25 coco 30 perlite and the rest seedling mix or thereabouts. I used sand and pumice with seedling mix for the acacias

There's no shade cloth on greenhouse it's just in a bad spot for light.

Oh that's good news on typical phyllode as my largest acacia is a typical. I'll have to move it out of greenhouse and re pot. I thought I read on here they were only yielding 0.2 or something? Full spectrum is fine by me I don't mind goo over xtals
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I've heard of it yielding significantly higher. I think they're maybe a little more variable than NP. Getting a little off topic here, although nexus member @_Trip_ confirmed a finding of 1.5% and in the Acacia analysis thread 20g broad leaf phyllodes yielded 200mg which is a 1% yield. The extract was around 32% DMT, so that means 60mg of the 200mg was DMT. This means in that particular test the yield of DMT is was a 0.3% yield. However I'm sure the composition of the extract is subject to variation. I still think its a tree worth growing anyways, but yes, if you want a consistent high yielding DMT-only extract then the narrow phyllode acuminata is tried and tested. Me personally I'd be much more interested in the broad leaf experientially and I probably vibe with the habit a little more. But alkaloid mixes/less studied species are of great interest to me and we're all different!

For changa/enhanced leaf type preparations it sounds like a very ideal species.
 
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From that batch I was getting .8% crystalised dmt from freeze precipitation and .7% wax from using a toulene, heptane hexane mix iirc. Didn't notice any potency difference form narrow leaf RB. But it's subjective. Never sent an analysis off. Can't discount presence of other alkaloids/ impurities nor the potential there is a seasonal or plant variation between trees. We just have to look at your work Acacian, to know there's differences in alkaloid profiles in the same species I.e Floribunda.
 
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From that batch I was getting .8% crystalised dmt from freeze precipitation and .7% wax from using a toulene, heptane hexane mix iirc. Didn't notice any potency difference form narrow leaf RB. But it's subjective. Never sent an analysis off. Can't discount presence of other alkaloids not potential there is a seasonal or variation between plants. We just have to look at your work Acacian, to know there's differences in alkaloid profiles in the same species I.e Floribunda.
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Thanks for clarifying @_Trip_ and likewise @Brickwall_55 . Looks like your mind can be at ease @Aum :)
 
Spent a while in the garden tonight reflecting on the journey of the wattles. I thought would be nice to reflect on then and now - and invite others to do the same. The thread has been a lot of fun to participate in with you guys. It’s great to get to watch everyone’s progress and see you all get totally wattle obsessed. @CheeseCat your growing passion for Acacias over this past year has been really lovely to witness.

As you can see below: at the end of winter last year many of these were no more than an inch in height, with dead foliage. They’re now thriving. In a year they should hopefully be dropping plenty of tryptamine rich foliage. In combination with a good prune each Spring and I think I should have more than enough DMT for my own needs.

Photos 1/2: Acacia floribunda last October and now. I made the mistake of germinating in April; and come winter it looked was reduced to this pretty much overnight. It’s now thriving and you’d never know what it endured!
Photos 3/4: Acacia phlebophylla 13 months back/and now
Photos 5,6,7: Acacia obtusifolia seedling throwing its first phyllode last October after being reduced to a tiny frost ravaged stump. And today - so much for a slow growing species. A lot of people don’t bother growing obtuse because of a misconception of slow growth. This is really only the case in the wild. In cultivation, in a good medium it grows quite fast. Once established, it can handle frost really well.

8/9: Acacia maidenii.. another fast grower and the tallest of my wattles. Did fine in the winter this year. It went purple for a number of months. This is the plant’s defense against cold and is actually the release of sugars. Why this helps the plant I’m not exactly sure.

10/11: Acacia floribunda (another broad leaf weeping form, although unlike white willow isn’t weeping yet)
 

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Remarkable comeback by the white willow and obtuse! 👏 Goes to show how resilient they can be.

Thanks for the before and after shots @acacian, really puts things into perspective how fast these trees can grow. Initially, I assumed that growing an Acacia from seed would be painfully slow but in reality it all happens very quickly, and watching acacias grow is such a marvel.

Glad you mentioned pruning. I guess if you don’t prune, it might be harder to access material on certain trees or they might get too big for their location. Is 2-3yrs a good age to start some gentle tip pruning of branches? (is pruning the main stem ok?) I think your white willow has a very nice form to it (courtesy of the frost?), lots of branching, should grow nice and full over the coming months.

I couldn’t have gotten this far without the thread, so a massive thank you for starting it and sharing your knowledge :) It's definitely great to connect with other like-minded people on here, cheers everyone!
 
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