The Agony and the Ecstasy

[FiniteFox]

Let me explain. No wait, there is too much. Let me sum up.

I've struggled to get active product from half a dozen extractions. Turns out the ACRB from the seperate batches (all supposedly Hawaian ACRB) only yielded inactive goo. Finially got new ACRB batch (new supplier) and did an extremely faithful run of Cyb's tek on 50 g on three seperate batches simultaneously (two Hawaian ACRB, one Tawainese ACRB).

Got small crystals from all batches; the two Hawaian ACRB gave despicablely few yellow specs and the Tawainese ACRB lots of small snowflakes. All the crystals sit atop a thin film of red go, the white crystals were especially difficult to seperate from it.

Side question: Post freezer evap, I decanted the excess naptha from each batch and have saved it. I'd like to get the remaining spice from it but not have too much hassle (it has been an arduous and expensive project so far, not totally sure how to do defats/sodium carb washes well). Any sugguestions?

Anyway, I smoke 27mg spice in my "the machine". A little bit of the red goo helped stick the crystals to the copper plug and what didn't stick I put onto a parsley leaf rolled into a ball, atop the plug. Using a basic BIC lighter, I put the flame atop the plug , touching it sometimes. I got wispy white, slightly plastic-y tasting smoke smoke white; less harsh but similar catagorically to the red goo I tried many times before.

And for the experience? Nothing. I know that there is still a little product left on the plug, but I did get at least one lungfull, held for 8-10 seconds. No CEVs, no feelings, nothing. Since I'll now smoked goo and presumably pretty decent spice, I'm left to wonder if I'm totally off base with my smoking method or have an usually high tolerance to DMT overall. Thanks for all the science and tek hugs and kisses.

What are your thoughts? I think I've eliminated sourcing and tek as possible impediments; what remains is my smoking technique and my tolerance.

- FF

 

[FiniteFox]

Quick note: the #3 container has the Taiwanese ACRB; you see it as much redder at the basifacation stage (far right) and it produced the heavily speckled pie dish (top of three).

 

[Adjhart]

I'm getting much much more yield from my Hawaiian acrb. Are you sure you've eliminated tek from the impediment? You said yourself you had 6 failed extractions.

All of my 50g extractions using cybs tek w Hawaiian acrb yielded 650-1100mg of white crystals and very active yellowish goo.

Just looking at your collection dishes I feel something is wrong with either your tek or the bark.

Administration can be tricky, but if you're using 27mg in a tried and true contraption like the machine and getting nothing, then i doubt that's where the issue lies.

 

[FiniteFox]

I'm getting much much more yield from my Hawaiian acrb. Are you sure you've eliminated tek from the impediment? You said yourself you had 6 failed extractions.

All of my 50g extractions using cybs tek w Hawaiian acrb yielded 650-1100mg of white crystals and very active yellowish goo.

Just looking at your collection dishes I feel something is wrong with either your tek or the bark.

Administration can be tricky, but if you're using 27mg in a tried and true contraption like the machine and getting nothing, then i doubt that's where the issue lies.

I'm open to anything at this point really. Just to clarify: the previous extractions were good learning experiences and were on the Hawaiian ACRB that produced almost nothing with Cybs tek. With the smoking technique, will burning the DMT denature it, rendering it inactive? I'm pretty sure I've burned some before and held it in pretty well. Either it went inactive due to burning, wasn't active, or I've got a high level of tolerance. I thought that even if my smoking technique was poor, I'd still get a little bit of spice in the lungs and would feel something, even at lose doses. Thoughts?


But getting back to the extraction, where do you think I could tighten up?
As mentioned, I used Cyb's tek, ocasional heat baths on a few of the pulls (did 4 total), rolled the botttles to mix, letting them settle 4x times per pull, measured my ingredients within 1-2% of specified quantities. Could it be that my naptha just isn't dry enough? My lye is "food grad" and seems pretty legit to me. Maybe my vinegar isn't 5%, even though it says it is? I could process a fifth pull or maybe a significant % of actives is left in the decanted naptha after my post-freeze-evap step...


I'm game to get some added tools to aid in being more technical, maybe some ph strips or something, but at this point I'm pretty befuddled and frustrated.

 

[Intezam]

Did you also have a look at this post? Best would be to understand the aprox. required PH's for both acidification and basification and to purchase a cheap Chinese PH meter or litmus paper..
Did you do a mini A/B after the pulls?

 

[FiniteFox]

After copious amounts of reading I concluded the following:

1) Crystal from ACRB may be weaker pound for pound than MHRB crystal; ergo, my spice may be weak.
2) I may have been using the machine incorrectly; I have determined to invert it, with the neck of the bottle up towards the sky.
3) My smoking technique is likely sub-optimal. Correct this by over loading device, compensating for leakage/lack of absorbtion.
4) It is possible that I'm just a hard-gainer, but for getting to hyperspace. My elven +3 cloak of poison resistance may be affecting my ability to get high. May need to compensate in the meantime.


So I just packed in 80 mg of yellow spice and hit it (about a third was used up, measuring by post plug weight). Slow suction at the first 1.5-3 seconds as the flame hovered over the copper plug, medium to hard suction for the next 5 seconds, bringing the flame in to touch the plug. I repeated this 4 times, the last time putting a lot of flame on the plug, producing slightly off color smoke and I could only hold that in for 4 seconds before coughing hard. Since I'm sucking through a straw, I got a tad light headed from lack of oxygen (probably).

That said, within in 5 seconds it hit me. It felt like I'd been punched on the astral plane, firmly, but not enough to jar me from my physical body. I was braced for it, so I wasn't discombobulated.

This is the first time I felt any feeling in my body outside of smokey-throat; I got a tension in the tops of my shoulders, the top portion of my triceps, and muscles around my breastbone. I felt a buzzing in my fingertips that lasted a minute or more.

This was more than just an oxygen thing; I felt augmented; not necessarily pleasantly. But something. No open eye visuals, but CEV were like when you rubbed your eyes after a nap. Except these where more geometric, distinct and higher res. The color set was metallic gold, green, yellow and bronze. Interwoven threads, like Aztec designs. The visuals were in front of me, in the front of my visual field. Nothing surrounded me or encapsulated me; the CEV weren't out of this world but were like the vagrant dreams slipping away from you after the alarm clock sounds and consciousness muscles in. More like the last few seconds of it, when the somnambulism's tendrils are at their weakest.

It wasn't pleasing, or mind-bending; there was no afterglow. I felt slightly intoxicated after 5 minutes, walking around. One thing was for certain. There was something there. I can taste it. My concern is how much do I have to endure to get there?

Maybe I should clean up the spice to see if I can get a purer product; I'm not sure I can hit more than 4, maybe five deep tokes.

I am no smoker.

 

[mr Whippy]

This is the first time I felt any feeling in my body outside of smokey-throat; I got a tension in the tops of my shoulders, the top portion of my triceps, and muscles around my breastbone. I felt a buzzing in my fingertips that lasted a minute or more.




same here

 

[expandaneum]

*************** from ****** have MHB online dispatched as a red dye.to lots of countries..

DON'T post sources, edit your post and read the attitude page!

 

[Spiritofspice]

Your based mix is still red if the ph is high enough it should be a black soup.
I would say that's your problem.

 

[FiniteFox]

Pics above are pre base, was just showing off the red hues of wet bark. Check pic below, I have dark purple black slurry.

 

[FiniteFox]

This is the first time I felt any feeling in my body outside of smokey-throat; I got a tension in the tops of my shoulders, the top portion of my triceps, and muscles around my breastbone. I felt a buzzing in my fingertips that lasted a minute or more.




same here

Yes, this is the line of inquiry I want to pursue... there was definitely something there, but I was sold on hyperspace, so I want hyperspace. :thumb_up:

 

[FiniteFox]

Sooo .....
Just made a bong out of an old olive oil bottle.
Loaded 42 mg, sandwiched with parsley.
Smoke was WAY smoother than from "the machine".
Had no problem toking x4 and holding. Didn't quite manage it the best (could have held more, probably lost some while spacing off), as I was thrown off by how different it was.
Within 15 seconds, I had OEV and CEV - the CEV were geometric but not particularly interesting, the OEV were psychedelic visual distortion; colors brightened, textures of objects pulsated.

It wasn't so much that the objects had changed, but I was much more interested in them, to see their inner beauty as it were.

I guess I need not tell the initiated more; these kinds of visuals are probably common.
If felt a lot like deep meditation to me; like an open eyed dream with no plot or moving pieces.

Now I only need to dial in more, and go deeper.

As mentioned, I didn't come here for a trip, or visuals, or a high. I came here for a VISION.

Thanks all!

I will post more in depth later.