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The Eternal Wheel

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Just to clarify, I am aware of my own stances and why, I was curious about yours 😉.

It was refreshing to see the underlying realization of the limits of your beliefs. The type of person I like to talk to.

I could hash it out further, there are other points that I'd like to explore, however, the jester in me has derailed this thread enough (apologies @ShadedSelf ). That said, well stated in your thoughts, and thank you so much for sharing.

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So, you think existance is fundamentally unbalanced, there is more darkness than light, and any created world or experience is a futile attempt to try to run away from this intrinsic fact?

There is an unsolvable and unbearable gap at the core of existance.

In my language that alse translates to: "We are doomed".
Is that how it feels?
Sometimes it certainly feels that way. But I dont think it is necessarily unbalanced. I do think evil and pain is necessary for the things we consider good. The concept of Rhythm in the Kybalion is a good attempt to describe the way the balance manifests in a simplistic and accessible way. God is playing games with himself though us, and the world as it is may be the best possible world he could create in order to achieve this purpose. But he may be forever creating and destroying worlds because in the end, they give him no lasting pleasure.
 
Just to clarify, I am aware of my own stances and why, I was curious about yours 😉.

It was refreshing to see the underlying realization of the limits of your beliefs. The type of person I like to talk to.

I could hash it out further, there are other points that I'd like to explore, however, the jester in me has derailed this thread enough (apologies @ShadedSelf ). That said, we'll stated in your thoughts, and thank you so much for sharing.

One love
I have enjoyed learning some of your perspective as well. Please feel free to try and destroy my hypotheses and point out weaknesses in them any time. That is how we learn and grow. Im not going to learn anything if everyone agrees with me. And yes, I have blabbered on long enough. Im sure we will discuss further at some point. Best to you and everyone else here looking for solace, answers, and truth.
 
I can only tell you my experience. I had a psychedelic/philosophically related existential crisis. Where it was scary to feel like "there is only ultimately one person in the room (god)" and that "we do this forever".

Ultimately time healed it. And just learning what to do in the world.

It is still scary to me. But we are here for a reason. We are in this state for a reason. So if I align with the harmony of the universe my lowercase s self, can get out of the way, to let the bigger Self, just let things play out as aligned as possible with its nature.

It's a work in progress and imperfect. But it works for me.
 
I can only tell you my experience. I had a psychedelic/philosophically related existential crisis. Where it was scary to feel like "there is only ultimately one person in the room (god)" and that "we do this forever".

Ultimately time healed it. And just learning what to do in the world.

It is still scary to me. But we are here for a reason. We are in this state for a reason. So if I align with the harmony of the universe my lowercase s self, can get out of the way, to let the bigger Self, just let things play out as aligned as possible with its nature.

It's a work in progress and imperfect. But it works for me.
I experienced this you-myself god state for the first time recently. It was like a glimpse into a reality where everything is a message experienced with raw empathy of god remembering you-myself. it was so much more than words could ever describe. it is a different reality... the profundity of the experience is mind blowing to me. :) beautiful, intimate, vulnerable, intense, pushing my existential soul limits 😅 respect. As god there is no selfishness, no avoiding, at least I don't feel so. Swimming with penetrating empathy in a world where every person is a portal.

I also kindof, had a zen buddhist sort of practice thing going before this perspective. I would consider it 'basic LSD' perhaps but that doesn't make it any less profound to me! I feel like the habitual sobriety of the zen buddhist (where I also didn't consume art or read and identify with 'knowledge/ ideas/ beliefs' too much, nor text excessively with friends) primed me to really engage with the totality of THIS experience at baseline. ~ that may or may not have had an effect on this experience arising.

It arose a week or two AFTER my LSD trip in nature, when I was really sharing the entire emotional reflection with an attentive friend I love, and speaking that memory and those feelings to them really activated the level of consiousness of the trip in me again and for the rest of our conversation I was like ~ well engaged with god but when we stopped talking (the silence of the nature around our park bench 'calmed me down') I felt like "holly crap! my friend is 'GOD; ! 😂!! My empathy was so deep and intimate. Huge respect for every word he said which were activating so much imagination and empathy in me.

@ShadedSelf I have been reflecting on this wheel thing a bit, or perhaps reflecting on some cyclical model of understanding what is going on ~ and as far as I can express and reflectively experience, where I am right now, I do believe that in certain places we are not meant to be in contact perhaps with those places wherein which reflections and wisdoms would exist. Like, for instance, when going through fear for instance, I would not expect myself to know that I'm going through some process of metabolizing fear. I would not really know any of that. I hope perhaps someone from the outside might provide shelter or maybe I would just panic my way through it to which would, from this perspective I am in rn, I would try to give my deepest humility and respect and reverence, as I am not exactly empathically elevated rn, playfully elevated, or going through anxiety and such. I imagine a fear experience would be existentially soulfully dis-orienting amongst other things, but it's one thing to describe, another to be in.

I am a novice to psychedelics however so, I really refer to input from others, but if you are in a vulnerable place (it seems like some time has progressed!) I hope some chunky text might be nice to grab onto :) idk

Best wishes!
Thank you for reading 🔥
Thank you for remembering! wohoo 🎉
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Well, this line of thought has changed quite a bit from its inception for me.

I feel like there is a point to be made about not dwelling too much on wisdom.
Something that spikes my curiosity about that paragraph, how would a process of metabolizing fear not be know as such to the experiencer?
You mean figuring out a way to go through fear inducing experiences without the need for the understanding or the meaning of the experience itself?
 
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>suffering and whatever
>smiles and cries
Well that's what we do. To me, every time I'd be in a state, it's just a matter of this: I get thrown through the rabbit hole and pop out in eternity. Sometimes it is a rougher entry than others depending on what ever incorrect attitudes or habits I've picked up. But once in eternity able to conjure universes or rearrange and reshape the rocks in my stone fireplace mantle at home at will with zero resistance or delay? Shit. Bro this is boring. Down here we got some density to move our minds and bodies through to provide, simply, a challenge. A juggling task to put all the right slow molasses-style choices together in a time stream to achieve the desired result? Sign me the fuck up!

Anyway if you don't know who you are, what you are it can get a bit wild and that's part of the game. You gotta figure it out. Don't forget you are a soul, with a body, having experiences. Hope this helps. I can help further but it'll be an invasive Q&A not suitable for public forum.
 
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