The ethical dilemma of introducing others to DMT

[Glossolalia]

Hello friends,

I've been struggling with a moral dilemma.

After trying DMT a few times I reached some states where I was infused with the love of the universe. Out of love for others, I want to spread this message far and wide.

But discretion must be used. Some people are not be ready for it and probably never will be. Some people might get nothing positive out of it whatsoever, or even be deeply traumatized. I can't even guarantee that I won't be deeply traumatized; it's a risk I'm willing to take. It would be very immoral for me to make that decision for another person.

Here's the biggest part of the dilemma: even though I tell every new traveler everything I know about the substance, you can't really explain to somebody what it is. They could have read every book and documentary on the subject ever made, and yet when they hit that pipe the first time, they do not know what they are getting themselves into.

This is more responsibility than I ever wanted. I never signed-up to be a DMT bodhisattva.

So now I am torn between two feelings. Part of me feels compelled to seek out my dearest, closest loved ones and show them the wonderful light; the (dare I say?) divine message that is contained within DMT. Another part of me knows that DMT is not for everybody, and everybody is not for DMT.

Who am I to make these huge decisions for others?

Succinctly put, the dilemma is that it feels immoral to keep it to myself, but reckless to give it to others. What shall we do?

— Glossy

 

[BringsUsTogether]

The truth is you cannot know how someone will react to DMT. People you think incompatible with DMT may actually take its message very well; people you think compatible with DMT may actually get no lasting change out of the experience.

However keep in mind that introducing it to people is not the same as making the choice for them. I don't think there is anything wrong with introducing people to DMT.

I tend to err on the side of "introducing it is good," in general, at least. There are so few people who know of the true significance of psychedelics; it would be a shame if someone who would have sought the DMT experience out in his/her lifetime given the proper knowledge didn't because he/she never received this knowledge.

Of course, there are some people you really shouldn't bring up illegal substance use around because they'll take it the wrong way no matter how you may try to speak about it.

 

[endlessness]

I think it's different if you are the one starting to talk about the subject and suggesting to the people to try, and it's another if the subject comes up and people talk about it and they already want to do it. Be attentive to your 'intuition' regarding people, if you feel something odd, better not give that dmt, better eer on the side of caution.

You can always explain to people what you just said above, that your description is not enough, and that they may not be ready, that this can be an existentially challenging experience, etc..

Each person is responsible for themselves. If they are informed, and know that if they take a hit from that pipe it means they have signed the contract and accept all responsibilities and possible consequences, then it's fine.

A relationship can also be traumatic, or moving to a different country, or another life change. I think the best you can do is not be actively pushing people into it but just offering a safe space and clean product and education/preparation for those who want to do it, taking care of set and setting.

 

[OneStepBeyond]

The good thing about extracting your own DMT is that it gives you some time to learn about the substance and hopefully develop a healthy respect for what it can do. Either way though, it would be 100% your idea at that point and you would be taking responsibility for yourself.

If you were to just provide someone with some DMT and you are not able to successfully instill that sense of respect for the magnitude of the DMT experience, it could turn out badly and you would be partially responsible. Along the same like s handing a loaded gun to someone without any safety instructions. You have a responsibility to that person to let them know what you are getting them into.

And yes, if the person is mentally, or emotionally unstable, they probably are not in a position to make a good judgement cal no matter what you tell them, so it would probably be best to not even mention it to them.

 

[anrchy]

I'll tell you what I went through.

When I first stumbled head first into the dmt realms I was with close friends. They were imbibing for their first times as well. Then I extracted my own and a couple really close friends were just as interested as I was and had also listened to me jabbering for hours on end about everything I was learning about dmt. So naturally me being in my infancy shared with them. We learned the beginning ropes together as a team.

Then as I became more adept this group of people I was introducing started getting larger. Then I heard the dreadful words come out of a friends mouth, "I was talking to this guy I kinda know and he wants to know if you will dose him?"

I pretty much told everyone that I had dosed that I was done dosing anyone else after that. I made a rule to myself, only make exceptions under extremely special scenarios. Even then I have witnessed a few slightly scary things happen after dosing people even after "all possible precautions had been met as far as my abilities go".

I've been on a break, and thankfully it has also allowed enough time to pass that I barely hear from others anything about me dosing anyone. I am extremely picky who I will dose now. I have a very strict set of guidelines that must be followed if anyone is going to be dosed by me.

Out of every single person that I have dosed, only 6 were interested in knowing how to extract on their own, only 3 of those 6 actually pursued learning how to extract, and only one of them went on to do their own extractions after they had done one with me. My new opinion is that if you dose someone, only dose them twice. A threshold dose and a 15mg-20mg dose (depending on the person). After that there is no reason for them to dose again unless they either extract their own or you gift them some and they learn the ropes and dose themselves.

There are a million things that can go wrong, I can't tell you how scary it is watching someone who appears to be having difficulties breathing to the point I was actually concerned. Lucky it was actually funny because they had a time lapse and thought they were still holding their breath even though it had been 4 minutes since they exhaled.

There are approx 4 or 5 people that I will dose if they ask. Only because I saw that they understood why they were doing it, showed great respect, and generally know how to dose without my assistance. I always make sure the set and setting is as good as I can possibly make it. Even then I'm still tossing a coin in the air hoping it will land on tails.

I personally recommend against dosing others. I find that the less I am placing attention towards dosing other people and focusing on my own experiences and doing it in a way where it's personal (like masterbation) the more I get from it.

 

[TGO]

I'll tell you what I went through.

When I first stumbled head first into the dmt realms I was with close friends. They were imbibing for their first times as well. Then I extracted my own and a couple really close friends were just as interested as I was and had also listened to me jabbering for hours on end about everything I was learning about dmt. So naturally me being in my infancy shared with them. We learned the beginning ropes together as a team.

Then as I became more adept this group of people I was introducing started getting larger. Then I heard the dreadful words come out of a friends mouth, "I was talking to this guy I kinda know and he wants to know if you will dose him?"

I pretty much told everyone that I had dosed that I was done dosing anyone else after that. I made a rule to myself, only make exceptions under extremely special scenarios. Even then I have witnessed a few slightly scary things happen after dosing people even after "all possible precautions had been met as far as my abilities go".

I've been on a break, and thankfully it has also allowed enough time to pass that I barely hear from others anything about me dosing anyone. I am extremely picky who I will dose now. I have a very strict set of guidelines that must be followed if anyone is going to be dosed by me.

Out of every single person that I have dosed, only 6 were interested in knowing how to extract on their own, only 3 of those 6 actually pursued learning how to extract, and only one of them went on to do their own extractions after they had done one with me. My new opinion is that if you dose someone, only dose them twice. A threshold dose and a 15mg-20mg dose (depending on the person). After that there is no reason for them to dose again unless they either extract their own or you gift them some and they learn the ropes and dose themselves.

There are a million things that can go wrong, I can't tell you how scary it is watching someone who appears to be having difficulties breathing to the point I was actually concerned. Lucky it was actually funny because they had a time lapse and thought they were still holding their breath even though it had been 4 minutes since they exhaled.

There are approx 4 or 5 people that I will dose if they ask. Only because I saw that they understood why they were doing it, showed great respect, and generally know how to dose without my assistance. I always make sure the set and setting is as good as I can possibly make it. Even then I'm still tossing a coin in the air hoping it will land on tails.

I personally recommend against dosing others. I find that the less I am placing attention towards dosing other people and focusing on my own experiences and doing it in a way where it's personal (like masterbation) the more I get from it.

This is wonderful advice, thank you for that! I am all about being a "do it yourself" type person. I mean think about it, if they really truly want to know, then point them to this site, tell them to put on their reading glasses, and start researching. We try not to spoon feed people on the Nexus so we probably shouldn't in real, everyday life either.

It isn't difficult to extract if you have a decent head on your shoulders. Safety first and you'll/they'll be fine.

All that being said, the only person I have shared this with is my girlfriend...we've been together for 2 years and also live together...and we also both share a love for psychedelics. I don't even mention it to any of my close friends because I fear that they won't even try to understand. They'll just chalk it up to, "well you're on drugs and drugs are bad m'kay?" :d

If you trust them enough, as in, would you trust this person with your life...? Then it is probably okay to share your knowledge with them but in my experience, a lot of people are just looking for that next high...and DMT is not a joke nor a recreational drug. It is very serious. If they can understand and respect that, then perhaps they are ready. But it is always hard to tell...

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

I do not provide, procure, or administer any psychedelic drugs to anyone, except people whom I have tripped with, or sat, many, many times.

The responsibility is too great and the risks to both me and them are too high. If someone has independently discovered psychedelics, and cultivated an interest and body of knowledge that I think is sufficient, I might consider it, but my standards are pretty high.

Basically, I will only dose someone who I think has the know-how and inclination to safely extract, prepare, and dose themselves if they so chose to.

Blessings
~ND

 

[Godsmacker]

When I was first starting out on my journey, I had a very liberal attitude about dosing, and initiating others into the realms of the otherworldly. This has led to a couple of uncomfortable/wasted experiences with myself and others. Psychedelics show a hidden shade of a person's persona which can be uncomfortable for both themselves and myself to deal with; it's best to get to know and understand and assess someone well before I administer a soul-changing substance to them.

As I have continued on my path, I have begun to stiffen up my standards as to who I permit to share the psychedelic experience with. I don't like initiating (most) people anymore-the first few psychedelic experiences one has can be profoundly unpredictable and life shattering. I would feel uncomfortable sharing with someone unless I knew them and their intentions well enough and felt comfortable going into a psychedelic state with them. The decision to ingest psychedelics should come about on one's own. I will not try to persuade anyone in any situation whatsoever to take these drugs. I prefer to share with those who have extensive experience, knowledge of, and respect for these substances-there is less maintenance required in these kinds of situations and I feel more comfortable around those who are knowledgeable of and committed to these 'studies'.

A profound lesson I have learned over these past few years is to be careful who I share with. Caution before curiosity is a good motto to follow.

 

[null24]

Out of every single person that I have dosed, only 6 were interested in knowing how to extract on their own, only 3 of those 6 actually pursued learning how to extract, and only one of them went on to do their own extractions after they had done one with me. My new opinion is that if you dose someone, only dose them twice. A threshold dose and a 15mg-20mg dose (depending on the person). After that there is no reason for them to dose again unless they either extract their own or you gift them some and they learn the ropes and dose themselves.

When I was first starting out on my journey, I had a very liberal attitude about dosing, and initiating others into the realms of the otherworldly. This has led to a couple of uncomfortable/wasted experiences with myself and others. Psychedelics show a hidden shade of a person's persona which can be uncomfortable for both themselves and myself to deal with; it's best to get to know and understand and assess someone well before I administer a soul-changing substance to them.

As I have continued on my path, I have begun to stiffen up my standards as to who I permit to share the psychedelic experience with...

I can very much echo both of these statements. Recently, I was given a lesson in even teaching people how to extract, when one that I did basically stole my part of it and began indiscrimiately dosing people, AND attaching my name to it. I'm just glad I got my fingerprints off the jars before our relationship dissolved over his egregious lack of common sense and decency. While I ignored many warning signs for various reasons, I also had reason to give this person the benefit of the doubt.

Until I got screwed.

Now, unless we're real solid, have tripped, smoalked, smoked and discussed the boundaries of the known & unknown universe together...I tell them "You can find all you need, go here:
DMT-nexus.me/forum"