"The federal control of psychedelic medicine in America is OVER."

[Toshido]

This is probably the most positive news of my lifetime.

I'm very interested in expert opinions on this one. No politics please, I just want to talk about the implications of the new order that was signed, and would like to know if there is anything negative about this unprecedented news. I know some Nexians here are personally involved in the administration of these analogs in terms of pharmacological and ethnobotanicals for their health and wellness benefits, and would like to know what this means for civilian access down the road. I won't post it here due to the restriction of politics, but you can read the order yourself on the Whitehouse website as well as find the livestream by CSPAN on youtube.

As far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong) with Ibogaine at the forefront of this order, it, and other psychedelics are being streamlined away from federal control to help with opiate addiction and PTSD among other mental illnesses as well, but I’m positive this will open the door for psilocybin, mdma, ketamine, and possibly even DMT/DMTx to be free of Federal control as well?

This will open countless doors for civilians to retrace their roots with pharmacological psychedelics and allow us to rekindle our relationship with psychedelic plants, which runs extremely deep. This has always been a very important issue for me, and it should be for everyone. This will allow for immeasurable healing in this country, and for the world.

This executive order targets veterans with PTSD, but allows civilians access to ibogaine treatment as well, which has proven to be extremely effective at treating depression, anxiety, alcoholism, and other addictions, specifically opiates at a rate of 70% more than SSRIs. The cure rate for opiate addiction is 80% when taken once, and 90% when taken a second time. Wow.

I'm interested in everyone's thoughts, and hoping to gain some more insight from those of you more knowledgeable on the subject than I am. I know this means a lot for people who can truly benefit from these substances due to their existing conditions, but I have great hope that even more research will be done now, granting further access to others. Surely this will be a net positive for humanity right?

I'll leave it with a quote.

"Our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness. To whatever degree any one of us can bring back a small piece of the picture and contribute it to the building of a new paradigm, then we participate in the redemption of the human spirit. And that after all, is what it's really all about." -Terence Mckenna

 

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Might be getting a little ahead of yourself. There was an order to fast track reclassification of cannabis too, five months ago, but that doesn't mean it's done yet. A study recently concluded that cannabis is ineffective for anxiety, depression, and ptsd.

I had a friend that was a big advocate for Ibogaine, until he fatally relapsed seven years into sobriety. The 80% one and done stat seems a little exaggerated. He sensed the need to go back every year or so.

A step in the right direction tho.

 

[redbird]

This represents a clear shift in the overton window but I'm a reluctant to celebrate in the streets.
I dont see this being what I assume most of us here would want. It looks more like an EO funding pharma-delics.
The wording of section 5 is very specific to rescheduling "products". It is worded so that successful MDMA trials wont result in MDMA being rescheduled. Rescheduling will occur only for the specific preparations and the substance itself will retain it's original schedule.
This is definitely a step in the right direction, so I dont want to completely rain on the parade. In the current iteration though, the average individual will see little difference.

 

[Toshido]

Might be getting a little ahead of yourself. There was an order to fast track reclassification of cannabis too, five months ago, but that doesn't mean it's done yet. A study recently concluded that cannabis is ineffective for anxiety, depression, and ptsd.

I had a friend that was a big advocate for Ibogaine, until he fatally relapsed seven years into sobriety. The 80% one and done stat seems a little exaggerated. He sensed the need to go back every year or so.

A step in the right direction tho.

Understood, and I know I'm getting ahead of myself, that's why I appreciate the discussion.

As a cannabis user, I don't doubt the data... albeit it's probably insanely saturated considering the THC percentages that are available now stretch from the 0-1% 1:1 THC/CBD combos all the way up to +30% THC strains not including wax/resin/concentrates/etc, and don't even get me started on the tens of terpenes that are now a regular focal point.

It's different for each user. When I was younger, pot relieved my anxiety, but since I've been in my late 30's, I've noticed the exact opposite, so I've retreated to lower THC percentages around 8%. The age factor has a lot to do with it as well, there's no doubt about that. This also doesn't include the knock off gas station delta 8 poison they peddle ad nauseam now. But it's an important discussion and I follow those things closely. Thank you for your input.

Lastly, yes, whatever current administration that likes to take credit for advancements surely exaggerate things, but where some people see apocalypse... I see hope. So.... I hope this ends up being a net positive.

 

[Toshido]

This represents a clear shift in the overton window but I'm a reluctant to celebrate in the streets.
I dont see this being what I assume most of us here would want. It looks more like an EO funding pharma-delics.
The wording of section 5 is very specific to rescheduling "products". It is worded so that successful MDMA trials wont result in MDMA being rescheduled. Rescheduling will occur only for the specific preparations and the substance itself will retain it's original schedule.
This is definitely a step in the right direction, so I dont want to completely rain on the parade. In the current iteration though, the average individual will see little difference.

Sorry for the double post everyone I could not for the life of me get the multi quote to work, must be a problem on my end.

I share your sentiment 100%, the whole pharma-delic thing has made me weary. I have friend texting me celebrating this momentous occasion and my response is along the lines of "this seems too good to be true". But that's another reason for this discussion.... I 'm trying to educate myself so that I can confidently converse about this whole thing with my peers. Don't worry about raining on the parade, I'm totally with you, I just wanted to open up a discussion and see how other's felt. It's a clown show but at the same time I very positive thing in my opinion. As you said, it's a step in the right direction, and that's important.

 

[new_science]

I am going to remain hesitant in expecting any executive order to hastily change broad legislative policy...

In 2024 one of the most liberal states in the USA, Massachusetts, had the opportunity to legalize and regulate entheogens. Roughly 57% of voters opposed the measure. Granted, across the United States many cities are voting on their own to deprioritize the persecution of those who choose to use entheogens, and this is great. However I do think it exemplifies that change often comes slowly and from the ground up, rather than from the top down.

What is on the books will continue to have no bearing on how my moral compass stays oriented. And what happened yesterday on April 18 can only be a positive thing, a step in the right direction. I only wish that they had waited one more day to announce it. It's not like April 18 was a weekday and April 19 wasn't.

In conclusion: big ups to the suits, regardless of their motivations.

 

[Toshido]

57% opposed in MA? Wow. I wanna say that's astonishing but I guess it really drives home how out of touch the voter base is on the NE coast where I reside as well. That's an alarming amount of people being opposed, although I'm sure most of it is rooted it unavoidable ignorance, which is why I'm hopeful this new order helps to educate said people who are out of touch. I often fantasize about a world where entheogens are a normal part of our daily/weekly conversations.

Thank you for your input, new_science, I really appreciate it.