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The Herbal Percolator (THP) extraction method

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Jorkest said:
umm..what if you guys used a coffee maker?
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Experimented a bit once with that. When I added the caapi to the filter, and the water started pouring over it, the water would not filter through fast enough and it started overflowing. At least that was what happened with my coffee maker. If you find a solution to it i'd love to hear it. Would be nice to just add it to a coffee maker, and a brew coming out a few minutes later :d

endlessness said:
well one could use some kind of hdpe bottle (and/or hdpe funnel, like used for gasoline), thats not hard to find. SWIM will try it next time
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Nice. It is also possible to use a straight tube. This makes it possible to make a really tall percolator, which makes it go faster, because of more pressure from gravity.
 
well if you just added enough water in the reservoir..but not enough to over flow it..you could just put more water in when you needed it..and the heating element in the coffee filter could start to reduce the water as you extracted with it
 
Well this is an excellent idea all around. Anyone drink Jolt Cola? Comes in a large tubular aluminum can, could chop off the bottom, add plastic/metal funnel and done deal. Or a piece of PVC pipe with an end cap and hole drilled in the middle may work as well.

Want to try this soon!
 
No luck luck for SWIM on the psilocybe extraction. SWIM doesn't think that psilocybe are very soluble in room temperature ethanol. He did many extractions and the resulting extract wasn't very active. The leftover material was still quite active, however. SWIM will try this with cacti and ethanol soon and report on the results.
 
SWIM has successfully used mini espresso coffee machines for extracting mushroom material. Very finely powdered material is a bad idea, though - they'll clog up/blow up :). Think espresso coffee texture. Run two extractions cos the first just breaks down the cellular walls, the second seems to pull more?! Perfectly innocent piece of unmodded kitchen equipment, too.
 
Someone could possibly have an interesting day at work if he uses the espresso machine for making his coffee after the person who used it to extract mushrooms:wink:
 
amor_fati said:
SWIM will try this with cacti and ethanol soon and report on the results.
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SWIM's got an update on this! The evaporating ethanol extract from powdered peruvian seems to be yielding crystal needles within the tar. Is this normal for ethanol extractions? Or is this unique to the use of the TSP method?

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hey there,

so do you think that as an addition to the herbal percolator
[for an ayahuasca style extraction]
that you could also use a layer of gelatin after the mimosa layer to bind to the tannins before they passed through into the catchment vessel?

i.e.

Water/acid
|
V
cloth layer [to stop it going into the water]
|
V
Mimosa layer
|
V
cotton / cloth layer
|
V
Gelatin layer [tannin binder]
|
V
Cotton filter layer
|
V
Catchment vessel

This way you would possibly also get less gelatin/bound tannin complex in the liquid?
[as well as a higher concentration/faster binding efficiency?]

any ideas?
 
^^interesting idea. Would the water be able to pass through the gelatin (rather than around it)? Would premade gelatin capture the tannins, or does it require to be boiled within the brew (the resulting brew from THP while reducing volume) in order to do this?
 
Indeed an interesting idea.

You can probably use bentonite for this, I think that should work!
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Perhaps even if you wanted to go hard on it,

a layer of gelatin on the top and then a layer of bentonite underneath it
[in that from my understanding the bentonite will absorb any left over tannins that get through the gelatin and also bind and gelatin [protein] that could filter through to the liquid in the catchment vessel]

i.e.
Mimosa layer
|
V
cotton / cloth layer
|
V
Gelatin layer [tannin binder]
|
V
thin cotton /cloth layer
|
V
Bentonite
|
V
Cotton filter layer
|
V
Catchment vessel

that way, [ideally],
no nasty tannins, no gelatin in the liquid.:idea:
 
A ratio for caapi:acidified water is listed in the original post as 1g:150ml.

For those that have experimented with THP for mimosa extraction – what sort of ratio are we looking at for a successful extraction of most of the goodies?
 
A ratio for caapi:acidified water is listed in the original post as 1g:150ml.

For those that have experimented with THP for mimosa extraction – what sort of ratio are we looking at for a successful extraction of most of the goodies?
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i did 12g mimosa and ~1.5 litres of water @ 60 degrees C [+ phosphoric acid and gelatin],
reduced at ~70 degrees C to ~ 200ml [doses for 2 people]
kicked like a mule :d
came on in 20mins, 1.5 hrs really strong [not walking etc],
all done in ~5hrs
 
RE the psilo percolation, using vitamin C (ascorbic acid) will prevent the psilo from oxidising. IMO acidifying some H20 would be more efficient than using alcohol.

Using an espresso machine to force hot water through a shot of powdered caapi or MHRB could work a treat.
Now that's an idea, 1 espresso shot worth of caapi/MHRB.
Your Ayahuasca will be ready in 3 minutes sir.8)
 
With this technique would it be better to use like a longer thinner bottle like a 2l coke bottle or would it be better to use one of those square 5l water bottles that you can get from the spermarket.

Was just thinking in terms of water weight/pressure on top of the herb verses surface area?
 
My friends probably going to do this. It seems really helpful.

I'm thinking he'll use a vitamin water bottle because of the thick plastic, and a canning jar.

Could one leave the cap on the bottle, and put a bunch of holes in it? Then put the cotton on top? This would prevent any chances of the cotton falling through, which would be a pain in the ass, and potentially ruin the brew. Plus I don't think a vitamin bottle will work unless this is done, because of the large opening. Theoretically, this would also allow the water to flow through faster because of the large mouth. Would this be a good thing or a bad thing? I'm not sure if less would be extracted because of the quicker flow or not


Also, does this work with syrian rue?


Edit: For anyone looking for an acid to use, orange juice works great.
 
Dagger said:
Jorkest said:
umm..what if you guys used a coffee maker?
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Experimented a bit once with that. When I added the caapi to the filter, and the water started pouring over it, the water would not filter through fast enough and it started overflowing. At least that was what happened with my coffee maker. If you find a solution to it i'd love to hear it. Would be nice to just add it to a coffee maker, and a brew coming out a few minutes later :d
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If you mix 1:3 DE:MHRB powder and put in a coffee maker it should flow fast enough.
 
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