The other half of the mist. A look into underside of the acacai world.

[LandOfOz]

dunno where to put this really.

Deep within research on anise oil and uses i came across a post stating PMA was a quantifiable alkaloid of a certain acacai species. this seemed sooo off the wall from what i know about tryptamine plants. i didnt figure such a similar family of plants would produce 2 such unique pathways of production. it seems about 1/3rd of the alkaloid producing acacai produce one or many phenethylamines. basic PEA, many secondaries such as 2-methyl-pea etc, PMA, amphetamine, mescaline....

so first off, in light of the orange text atop my screen, is this topic okay to dig into? it will bring with it talk of phenethylamines and rc's. but as mescaline talk is allowed would these compounds be aswell due to their organic source?

im feeling an urge to dig up all available alk testing i can find without journal access. so far my best source if a couple threads on bl.ru and wiki..

would this field lead to organic sources of theorized/shulgin style pea's? or a shadowy world of mdma precs and organic amphetamine. root bark/foliage teks for mescaline extraction?

hell one even makes 5-meo, nn, and nicotine!

Share with me your brain.

 

[Shrabbit420]

I found some similar info back when I first started researching DMT. Back in '08 I even wrote a question to erowid asking them to add the part about Acacai berlandieri containing mescaline and other chemicals, they then did add it to the 'Acacia Bits & Pieces' section.

I was thinking of growing some Acacai berlandieri just for this reason.

And here's a couple studies that I have attached. I will also quote my favorite part, which peaked my interest on the subject:

"All leaf samples contained phenethylamine, N-methyl-β-phenethylamine, tyramine and hordenine. These compounds were found in concentrations ranging from <100 to >5,000 ppm, depending on plant species and season of collection. Concentrations were always higher in leaves collected in the fall. The alkaloid fractions (those extractable with 10% HCL) of A.berlandieri and A. rigidula contained a complex mixture of alkaloids including nicotine, nornicotine, anhalamine, mescaline, and 3,4,5-trihydroxy-phenethylamine(demethylated mescaline)."

They only list chemicals/alkaloids in ppm, so I don't know how much this would correlate to % wise. I don't think it would be a good source for extractions, but then again sheep & goats get messed up from eating it, so I really don't know. Maybe someone with more knowledge could tell us if it would indeed be worth it or not.

 

[LandOfOz]

shulgin thinks the reports about the one tree with 40 diff alks is a fake. looks like it to me too. but still tons of pea pathways that are real!

 

[acolon_5]

Discuss away! I'm interested to hear about this as well.

 

[LandOfOz]

ill post up all the info i can tonight =]

 

[ms_manic_minxx]

I think this is absolutely important discussion, because if Paranoid Mimosa Hoarders start eating any and every variation and appendage of acacia plant they can find, there's a good chance mixing with harmalas is just around the corner. The best kind of decision, especially involving ingestion, is an informed one.