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The Other Magic Mushrooms. Amanita Dreams. Substantial Clarity. Substance, & Substances.

dithyramb said:
I don't think anybody over here disregards the physiological aspect of plant experiences, @blig-blug
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Me neither. I was expressing my views about it, not saying that it has happened here.
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if even a single use of the word spirit is triggering, and invokes a belittling attitude and slanders like "crap"
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I think that was about the idea of using a nicotine-containing plant to treat nicotine addiction, not about spirits. It's not a tone I endorse.
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without the slightest openness or curiosity to understand the deeper meaning of what is shared
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That's exactly what I was saying: to get insight from other people's experiences or views on psychoactive substances it's not necessary to share their core beliefs, and the discussion about those beliefs themselves is usually very unproductive (and repetitive).
blig-blug said:
I do like to hear about the experiences and viewpoints of people who do believe in the spirits of plants and such, I think they transmit valuable information even if I don't agree with the interpretation (at least for the moment).
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Thank you, @blig-blug. I agree that stating you don't believe in your discussion partner's worldview is not productive, to say the least. Spirit is not something that can be conveyed through text and I am in no mission to convert people to my worldview that the material world is only the tip of the iceberg of reality. And, this thread is not about this topic.

The matter here is beyond the classic understanding of spirit though. It feels like we bumped into a barrier that does not allow for any dynamics beyond receptors being agonized by molecules. If you insist that Mapacho is nicotine and nothing else, and that the way you approach it has no relevancy to how it will affect you, then there is no possibility of having a discussion. As @northape said, I have been a person with a hangup on tobacco, and very recently developing a relationship with Mapacho and experiencing it's priceless contribution to my medicine practice, I was excited to share about it here. I did not get addicted to it, I only cheek smoke it at the end of my medicine sessions. Deep reverence towards a plant seen as a sacred spirit is not something to be underestimated, I assure you. It is miles away from seeing it as a mundane substance to maintain your mood on a wim. I could say it is my deepest belief that integrating a sacred approach to life is the cure to "quite a lot of things." Developing a relationship rather than being in an objectifying and consuming dynamic.

And I am pretty sure that introducing such a relationship with Mapacho can be very supportive in the tobacco addiction healing process. Transforming the perception of tobacco, and transforming one's relationship to life (which is the way psychedelic medicines heal you as far as I am concerned). Besides that, it is actually a mainstream "scientific" practice to use nicotine patches in the tobacco addiction waning process. This works in a different way than I offer about Mapacho, but would you also call it crap? As the examples of @Exitwound and @blig-blug one can see many different ways in which Mapacho could help heal tobacco addiction, other than the way that I offer.

Like @blig-blug I don't endorse a belittling attitude towards discussion partners, and I want to mention something else which I don't endorse. Like @Jamie01 I don't romanticize native peoples, however I don't despise them either, and I often feel an implicit or explicit arrogant attitude towards native cultures from various people around here. This goes against my core values and is very repelling to me. Western science is not the monolithic God of truth in this world. It is ever evolving, once asserting that the earth is the center of the universe and persecuting those who stated otherwise. We have things to learn from every culture in this world.
 
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After 3 weeks of microdosing amanita muscaria today. All I can say is that I truly love this mushroom. From the first dose I immediately experienced perception shift that is very prominent. Focusing on nuances have become crystal clear, especially with my relationships with others. The lightheartedness of feeling like a kid again and looking through that lens is an eye opener with the root causes of my trauma being presented as a gift along with the compassion to not be so hard on myself.

I'm going on three months without drinking alcohol and my cravings have drastically reduced and the waves not coming as frequent. My relationship with cannabis has also become clear as to when I benefit the most and when I don't. Amanita synergizes very well with cannabis.

My sleep patterns have drastically improved I'm on a consistent sleep schedule. My energy has increased from not only the stimulating effects but also from not drinking and sleeping better.

Started off with 200 mg's first week then gradually increased to 400-600 mg's second week to end with 750 mg's the final week. I'll be taking a week break then continue with the 750 mg's before bed and maybe try and add a 250 mg morning booster.

I have no intention to go very deep with amanita out of an abundance of respect and caution❤️
 
The best thing for me with Amanita microdosing/healing regimen is that, I think you feel when you don't need it anymore.
It is as if mushroom speaks to you, "I've done my work, now you can continue on your own" type of communication.
 
I have written before, I have little experience with Amanita, but the impression I got from it along with what I have heard from others makes me almost recommend it to everybody. It makes me happy that humans seem to have collectively crossed the barrier of seeing it as a too strong and crazy mushroom, to embracing it's priceless supportive medicine in lower doses, which we might as well rethink as normal doses, and understanding that it is not something to replace psilocybin mushrooms or be approached as a classic psychedelic.
 
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So I hit a wall with my psycholitic dosing regimen. I had to take a week and a half off from dosing as I started to increase my dose from 600 to 750 mg I started to experience diarrhea and stomach cramps about three days in after taking a week off prior to upping my dosage.

It may be cause I got a hot cap as I've been grinding 6 grams at a time with this last 6 grams being 1 giant cap.

As I was hitting the 750 mg mark I started to experience intense dreams even a week after stopping. I took a dose of 500 mg last night to wake up with a stomach ache and diarrhea. I may have built up a sensitivity to the ibetoic acid or the half life may be so slow that I have built up too much for me to metabolize.

I may switch up to every three days or an intuitive regimen if grinding out more than 6 grams at a time or decarbing large batches doesn't mitigate these adverse symptoms. Other than that my sleep, focus, clarity, and motivation are going strong. This is strong medicine in every possible way. I'm 4 1/2 months away from my last sip. I've worked through birthdays and my anniversary through this time with little support.
 
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After 3 weeks of microdosing amanita muscaria today. All I can say is that I truly love this mushroom. From the first dose I immediately experienced perception shift that is very prominent. Focusing on nuances have become crystal clear, especially with my relationships with others. The lightheartedness of feeling like a kid again and looking through that lens is an eye opener with the root causes of my trauma being presented as a gift along with the compassion to not be so hard on myself.

I'm going on three months without drinking alcohol and my cravings have drastically reduced and the waves not coming as frequent. My relationship with cannabis has also become clear as to when I benefit the most and when I don't. Amanita synergizes very well with cannabis.

My sleep patterns have drastically improved I'm on a consistent sleep schedule. My energy has increased from not only the stimulating effects but also from not drinking and sleeping better.

Started off with 200 mg's first week then gradually increased to 400-600 mg's second week to end with 750 mg's the final week. I'll be taking a week break then continue with the 750 mg's before bed and maybe try and add a 250 mg morning booster.

I have no intention to go very deep with amanita out of an abundance of respect and caution❤️
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I’m on day 3 of what i plan to be a 3 week or 30 day microdosing regimen. I have 30 x 0.25g capsules with dried AM plus a 30ml tincture on the way by post. I definitely already feel an effect on my mood. I plan on increasing my dosage weekly until i hit 1g then i’ll give it up for the forseeable future. I tend to go overboard whenever i drink alcohol. Last week i had about 12 pints. I can either go with zero alcohol or i binge. I’m hoping AM helps with this. I’ve been listening to baba masha interviews aswell. I have about 7 years Microdosing experience with LSD regularly and i think i’ve build up a tolerance. So i stopped about 2 months ago. A friend told me about AM and so here i am. I’ve tried microdosing shrooms but they don’t really work for me they make me impatient. I have a very active mind and sometimes talk to myself. Also mild intrusive thoughts. I hope AM helps with this but i they don’t thats fine. There’s a lot of negativity out there regarding toxic effects of AM so thats a concern aswell since i’m not sourcing myself. Anyways best of luck and i’ll update this thread when i have more under my belt.
 
john_c_2021 said:
I can either go with zero alcohol or i binge. I’m hoping AM helps with this.
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AM has potential to help you, for sure. I like your dose regimen too. All good here.
john_c_2021 said:
I have a very active mind and sometimes talk to myself. Also mild intrusive thoughts. I hope AM helps with this
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Aren't we all talking to ourselves? Intrusive thoughts are the same thing; they are prevalent.
AM relaxes both body and mind. I feel you would find it useful on all fronts. AM is a nice sleeping aid, too.
john_c_2021 said:
There’s a lot of negativity out there regarding toxic effects of AM so thats a concern aswell since i’m not sourcing myself.
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Okay, here we go. Amanita Muscaria is a medicine, period. If properly dried, there's no toxic stuff left.
And even that toxic element is medicinal, too. AM grows in forests and very clean spaces, so toxicity from the soil is close to null.
At your doses, you have nothing to worry about.

All the toxic or heavy effects start in the 10-15g range and up. AM is tricky because it's very inconsistent in potency.
However, you're working with pre-powdered material, so its potency is uniform.

Good approach to AM and a nice regimen. Keep us posted. Maybe do a small review at the end.
Best of luck, and may you find healing 🙏
 
Aw those little ones are so cute. Seeing what looked to me like a giant Amanita mushroom in the countryside outside of St. Petersburg, Russia, as a kid, is among the most vivid memories from my childhood. I also saw a wild hedgehog in the same area (true story).

Amanita is great for sleep, IME, but tolerance can set in fast. I actually plan to take some tonight.

Love the Amanitas, but only in moderation.
 
While the full size amanitas are beautiful and the small ones are cute looking, and the effects of low doses are soporific and calming, there definitely seems to be a shadowy/witchy quality to amanitas, at the same time.

I've experienced some freaky/nightmarish dreams that seemed linked to amanitas, which didn't phase me too much, as they didn't feel personal or have an emotional charge. In one dream, I met a fox that would flash between appearing friendly and demonic while moving in diagonal leaps, until it approached me and gave me some kind of sacred object. In another dream, I was driving down a road that was full of bloody animal carcasses, which is out of the ordinary for me, as I don't typically have gory dreams like that. I'm pretty sure that I had these dreams while taking a potent amanita extract at night, as opposed to drinking amanita tea. However, at that point, I think I was also adding amanitas to my tea in the daytime.

Recently, I have been periodically drinking a tea of 100-200mg dried amanitas at night, which has been very mild. Last night, I upped the dose to ~500mg, which felt quite a bit heavier, and seemed to bring on at least one nightmare, which felt different from the dreams that I previously described. Unlike the dream with the benevolent/demonic fox, or the gory dream with the animal carcasses, this particular dream was emotionally charged, conflict laden, and saturated with shadowy themes related to my family of origin. Overall, I prefer lighter physical and mental effects when it comes to amanitas, so I'll probably scale the dose back down, going forward.
 
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ommani said:
While the full size amanitas are beautiful and the small ones are cute looking, and the effects of low doses are soporific and calming, there definitely seems to be a shadowy/witchy quality to amanitas, at the same time.
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Finally, I am not alone with these effects. Everyone just praises Amanitas without talking about the darker side. Sure, it is not on the level of Datura or Mexican Mimosa, but this mushroom can be quite scary at times. Like you mentioned, it likes to bring up shadow material in dreams and give you nightmarish visions. They are not nightmares per se, but just dark. One night I killed a man in a dream, then killed another, and there were lots of killings all around. Everything was vivid and loaded with emotions. I had no remorse, by the way, and just reacted to the situation. I woke up a few nights just because of the intensity. All the effects were from a topical use of Amanita tincture.
 
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