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The Other Magic Mushrooms. Amanita Dreams. Substantial Clarity. Substance, & Substances.

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I just wanted to make a quick post about mushrooms, and their magic. Magic mushrooms? As in the Psilocybin kind? No, not this time, although I have a good relationship with those mushrooms too. I’m talking about the edible psychoactive Amanitas. This time Pantherina. It has come through for me once again.

The trip? The psychoactivity? Well you can find many people who might be looking for the wrong thing when it comes to these. Such as maybe euphoria, amazement and visuals, and if that isn’t achieved they can think they need to keep upping the dose.

In general it is said that the Muscaria is the most commonly used, the Regalis is a bit stronger and different, and the Pantherina is most strong having it’s own uniqueness. They have all been valuable to me though.

This time, last night like 90 minutes before retiring to bed, and maybe 2-2.5 hours prior to falling asleep, it was 3.4g of A. pantherina. While still awake it kicked in as a certain kind of sedation and dreaminess, effectively having me in a kind of trance-like state. I had a television on for a bit before I fell asleep. Dances with Wolves was playing, a worthwhile movie I seen for the first time long ago. I closed my eyes pretty quickly and listened for a while longer prior to turning off the tv and heading towards sleep.

Now for the “peak” of my “trip”. Dreaming. The thing about dreaming (sleeping R.E.M. dreams) is often if one is in the phase of being a major pothead, dreams can cease to happen or at least be memorable. I dislike this part, and as I have matured more I’ve taken more control of what exactly the right amount is of partaking in this or that. My cannabis use on days I do use it can be minimal while I get satisfactory benefit. Also by doing that, with moderation, I do not cloud out my dreams until I wake up with no memory anymore. This is a good thing. Now are there some substances that for me enhance the possibility of clear meaningful memorable dreams? Yes. Calea zacatechichi was used first in 2004 for some effect. Later I found more reliable assistance from Synaptolepsis kirkii root. Valerian fits in there somewhere too. The edible psychoactive Amanitas though have been a full dream tripping thing for me somewhat reliably especially if I cease to bombard myself with cannabis and fit these mushrooms into my schedule. I found that it does not require a huge amount that will make me too nauseous, and though I’ve done some large doses it has plenty of benefit for me with minimalized dose sizes.

The content of the memorable dreams was, like other times in the past, very meaningful and insightful, with spiritual and emotional aspects to it. I won’t go into specifics of the dream content here as I feel like what is specifically impactful for me might just be unentertaining details for you.

So as I currently continue my era of no major daily potheadedness, and add to my experience with other substances which have their best benefit without being buried in excessive weed use, I wanted to make mention here of my success. Everything factors in. Everything affects us and plays part in some aspect of the effects we get from life in general and entirely, with or without drugs. Not to make judgement on the choices of others, as we all have both shared similarities and different uniquenesses, but many of us have at some time wanted to “trip” once in a while while also wanting to be “stoned” more often. I’ll only speak for myself when I mention the first hand experience of limiting my success rate because of habit. Combining my weed with tobacco was part of my problem for a long time for sure. Kicking nicotine out of my life completely was a good beneficial thing for me. Not everyone has the problem I had so I’m not trying to deny more respectful relationships others have with what was the fixation and issue for me. But I do know that I have a good amount of similarities to many others even while being unique (like everyone else).

So if you find yourself being called towards the other magic mushroom, be sure to give it it’s proper chance. Look for what it has for you and not just the expectations of what it should be. A dreamy sedated trance-like state while awake on these Amanitas is a beautiful thing itself, and the dream-tripping while R.E.M.-consciously asleep has helped me greatly. I might even say that arranging for myself to have the variety of my experiences these are included in has helped me more so put everything in it’s proper place with more so the right amount and frequency. I like clarity. I like impactful visions whether they happen during awake hours or sleeping hours. I dislike losing any part of that due to habitually using something that doesn’t work as well if I overdo it. I like the benefits that are maintained when I don’t overdo any of it for the success rate it keeps in tact.

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Oops. I did it again last night. Had my Monday evening mushrooms, retired to bed early, fell asleep at the peak of the tranquil sedative trance, and had very clear meaningful dreams fresh in memory as I woke with the sun this morning. Kind of a mix of sweet dreams and nightmares, but such is life, and it really aids me in self examination. The dose size was 3.8g of dry Amanita pantherina made into a shot of tea with a little citric acid. Mostly if not fully decarbed. I think I fell asleep about 1 hour and 45 minutes after dosing on what should have been an empty stomach hours after eating an early dinner. Nausea was mild and brief, and I feel well this morning.

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Hi to All ! I'm thinking about doing Amanita in small amounts ... I've read it could be really good against addictions and others problems like Psoriasis , i do have Pso for more than 30 years ! Even though i've quitted plenty off bad compounds , i'd love to quit Valium even though i only take 10 mg a day by now but i did so much benzos in the past ... same for nicotine , i'm vaping mostly these days but i'd love to tapper off the habit and it's so hard ! Besides , i'm thinking of doing an heroic dose of Psylo truffles soon , i never had real bad trip with Psylo even at high dosage . it really helped me quitting the booze ! What do you recommend about Amanitas ? It seems like Pantera are much stronger than Fly agaric ... Thanks in advance ...
 
Hi to All ! I'm thinking about doing Amanita in small amounts ... I've read it could be really good against addictions and others problems like Psoriasis , i do have Pso for more than 30 years ! Even though i've quitted plenty off bad compounds , i'd love to quit Valium even though i only take 10 mg a day by now but i did so much benzos in the past ... same for nicotine , i'm vaping mostly these days but i'd love to tapper off the habit and it's so hard ! Besides , i'm thinking of doing an heroic dose of Psylo truffles soon , i never had real bad trip with Psylo even at high dosage . it really helped me quitting the booze ! What do you recommend about Amanitas ? It seems like Pantera are much stronger than Fly agaric ... Thanks in advance ...
I have some experience with amanitas, so here are my .2 cents:

Stay away from pantherina. Even microdosing it is a very wrong idea in a long run.
Search "paul stamets pantherina" on youtube to get an idea how wrong could it get.
Amanitas potency viries a lot cap to cap. Sometimes you feel nothing from a lot and other times
one smal cap can send you on a 6+ hours long ride in a dreamland.

When it comes to a.muscaria small doses tend to be gentle and akin to alcohol with no side-effects day after.
It is good for relaxation, insomnia and other stress related issues. But a little bit more could easily send you on a very heavy trip
with bodyload and all the fine stuff. It is a dissociative and in the same category as daturas in my book.

All of the above is why I stoped with amanita altogether.

When it comes to nicotine addiction, I will give a bit nontraditional advice. Buy a mapacho log and start smoking it in a pipe.
Tobacco is not nicotine, but a plant medicine in its own right. It will heal nicotine addiction and it is much easier to stop mapacho, than
commercial nicotine products.

Best wishes!
 
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I've recently started a microdose regimen for the past week with good results. My intention is not to get inebriated but to reap the improved quality of life (reduced anxiety, depression, improved sleep, renewed creativity in my work, etc...) benefits of this beautiful mushroom that has called me.
I first started with 200 mg for the first three days then went up to 400 mg for the past four days. Immediately the first day I noticed a subtle perception shift but not in a way where I'm feeling high, especially with my cannabis use. I've been falling asleep reliably after thirty minutes after dosing.
My first couple of days I didn't have a strong appetite but still ate with no problems. My concentration has improved and I feel very motivated to accomplish tasks. However, I am at a cusp from over working and pushing myself through ergonomic injury and recovery where I am being provided assistance but my help is having a very steep leaning curve which is pointing to my dilemma of why I'm in such a dire situation with pushing through work injuries so hard and going over board at home with keeping up with house work and hobbies. I've been able to effectively communicate with everyone and empathize with those who are struggling to lend a helping hand. 💓
 
When it comes to nicotine addiction, I will give a bit nontraditional advice. Buy a mapacho log and start smoking it in a pipe.
Tobacco is not nicotine, but a plant medicine in its own right. It will heal nicotine addiction and it is much easier to stop mapacho, than
commercial nicotine products.
Sorry if it's offtopic here, but I'm curious about your experience with this. AFAIK mapacho tobacco has more nicotine than N. tabacum (but it's true that neither of them is only nicotine), so it surprises me that it would be easier to stop smoking it. However, I have no experience with mapacho nor normal tobacco.
 
I would say that for me amanita is not like alcohol at all. Muscimol does not resemble ethanol, and is instead a true analogue of GABA. It’s more like valium(which I also don’t find to be like alcohol) but still very different, It is a universal agonist at GABA receptors and for sure has some interesting hypnogogic/ psychedelic/oneirogenic effects that other compounds that do not resemble GABA seem to lack.

Even at low doses it’s totally different from low dose alcohol for me. Kava feels much more like alcohol and kava and amanita are nothing alike and kava is just not enthrogenic either.

Maybe it’s partly the GABA B receptors?
 
I can’t imagine smoking nicotine will heal nicotine addiction. I’m sure a good portion of the Amazon is addicted to mapacho.
Well, I say that Mapacho is not nicotine, and that's the point of Northape, the paradigm that he is attempting to introduce. It has a most powerful spirit distinguishing it from commercial cigarettes, along with a very well defined culture of it's sacred use. IME these two elements are very supportive in reshaping one's relationship to tobacco.

Besides, although there is a chemical dimension to addiction, there has been a recent wave in research highlighting that the root cause of addiction is psychological - a coping mechanism for a trauma of disconnection - and the chemical factor only worsens the addiction, does not cause it. One source on the topic is Gabor Maté.

I have never smoked tobacco and it was always a pet peeve of mine. In recent years I tried to give rapé a chance but my nose cannot tolerate it, always getting congested for a few days after use. But cheek smoking Mapacho for prayer, protection and purification during ruehuasca very recently has been very fruitful for me. I can see why traditionally ayahuasca ceremonies are not done without Mapacho.
 
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Amanitas are very multi-faceted entheogen. Please be careful while working with this mushroom.
In lower doses it can be energetic and "alcohol-like" without having alcohol side effects (especially if you get past sleepy-phase, if you get any).

However, in higher doses it can be difficult and almost impossible to navigate, as it can be strongest dissociative, with one important difference:
You can be of berserker strength and energy while dissociated from your meat-suit.
Loops, time distortion, complete dissociation while your body navigates this reality on monkey-brain autopilot are very common.

High doses are for people who know what they are doing.

Low-mid doses can be immensely beneficial though, for resetting the mind and giving you energy, clarity and focus.

One of the best euphoric/relaxing and simultaneously energizing combos I've tried, is mid-range edible cannabis + mid-range amanitas (up to 5-6g amanitas muscaria).

Amanita pantherinas are on a different level of strength, so for (people who know what theyr are doing)^2 only, imho :)

P.s. you also need to know how to prepare them (gathering, storing, then drying for 30-40 days), so that there is less ibotenic acid and more muscimol.
 
Sorry if it's offtopic here, but I'm curious about your experience with this. AFAIK mapacho tobacco has more nicotine than N. tabacum (but it's true that neither of them is only nicotine), so it surprises me that it would be easier to stop smoking it. However, I have no experience with mapacho nor normal tobacco.
I'm not active here on nexus anymore, but decided to answer. Mapacho is very close to my heart, and people have very shallow understanding about tobacco in general.
All I say comes from direct experience. I have no time or patience for heady discussions about alkaloids and stuff. Just try it out yourself. It would give you much more than advice from a net-guru. True mapacho trip considered toxic from a western viewpoint. If you get a lot of it, smoking it again would be the last thing that one wants for a long time. In my childhood, people healed nicotine addiction by forcing one to eat one makhorka cigar (soviet name for n. rustica and very similar to white mapachos found in many aya ceremonies). Heavy doses of tobacco reboot our brain akin to mushrooms or other power plants. Still, it's a poison of sorts and your dose makes all the difference.
I'm in total agreement with @dithyramb reply on other points.

I would say that for me amanita is not like alcohol at all. Muscimol does not resemble ethanol, and is instead a true analogue of GABA. It’s more like valium(which I also don’t find to be like alcohol) but still very different, It is a universal agonist at GABA receptors and for sure has some interesting hypnogogic/ psychedelic/oneirogenic effects that other compounds that do not resemble GABA seem to lack.

Even at low doses it’s totally different from low dose alcohol for me. Kava feels much more like alcohol and kava and amanita are nothing alike and kava is just not enthrogenic either.

Maybe it’s partly the GABA B receptors?

Thought, thoughts and more thoughts. Yeah, we're a product of western education for sure 🤯
All you said could be applied to alcohol too, and it works on GABA, haha.
English is my 2nd language, and I learned a long time ago that simple examples work much better to foster communication.
Yes, Amanitas are not alcohol (that's a given), but in low doses they are quite similar in effects.
Most of us are somewhat familiar with spirits, and it's the best comparison for the majority, in my opinion.

I have never smoked tobacco and it was always a pet peeve of mine. In recent years I tried to give rapé a chance but my nose cannot tolerate it, always getting congested for a few days after use. But cheek smoking Mapacho for prayer, protection and purification during ruehuasca very recently has been very fruitful for me. I can see why traditionally ayahuasca ceremonies are not done without Mapacho.
Congrats Brother! I felt like you were somewhat hesitant to work with mapacho.
I had quite positive attitude from my Grandpa who loved makhorka and rue suggested growing some tobacco long ago.
Mapacho is the great equalizer. It helped me many times in difficult times, and not only in ceremonies.
Smoking it after harmala experience is the way to go. It's the most beneficial way to use tobacco and quite different from normal use.
I'm still hesitant to delve into oral use. It's a very harsh teacher, but benefits are endless. Tobacco speaks to you in dreams ;)

Peace everyone, I'm off to enjoy some sun.
We finally got +C where I live.

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Okay smoke nicotine to heal nicotine addictions then. Why is it here that people will defend the most rediduclous crap.. demand science in one spot but use plant spirits as an excuse later.

I don’t have fantasies about native people. I think a lot of South America is addicted to both coca and tobacco. Sometimes I feel like people here are just trying to sound shamanic or w/e.

Talk about spirits all you want. Your saying smoking a plant with more nicotine helps quit smoking one with less…because one is commercial. It makes NO sense.

Gabor mate believes auto immune diseases, addiction etc are all just from trauma. He doesn’t believe there’s any diet connections to diseases like MS. The guy compares his record buying problem to the problems of poor people abused and living on heroin. I’ve seen him in person numerous times and at one point my best friends mother was his patient so I know a bit about him and I think he’s partly a quack. He dismisses tons of evidence around addiction and chronic disease to push his ideas around trauma as if it’s the only cause.

No one telling ppl n threads here who want to quit weed like hey you know if you actually just get hashish from India it will head your weed habit.

Ya I don’t find muscimol to be much like alcohol. I dunno what “thought thoughts hla bla bla” has to do with it. They have affinity for different GABA receptors and alcohol doesn’t resemble GABA at all. If you think alcohol smd muscimol are the same good for you.
 
I can’t imagine smoking nicotine will heal nicotine addiction. I’m sure a good portion of the Amazon is addicted to mapacho.

Mapacho is not nicotine but a soup of 1000s ingredients. Harmalas are among them too.
There are use and misuse. If you use tobacco every day to make your living possible in a harsh environment, then it's far from addiction.

Okay smoke nicotine to heal nicotine addictions then. Why is it here that people will defend the most rediduclous crap.. demand science in one spot but use plant spirits as an excuse later.

For me, science is on the same level of authority as any other thought system.
If you don't get what Spirit is, just move on. No one could provide any proof.
When you are so rational, use it to your advantage to filter fluff and useless talk.

I don’t have fantasies about native people. I think a lot of South America is addicted to both coca and tobacco. Sometimes I feel like people here are just trying to sound shamanic or w/e.

Yes you do. Simple proof: it is in your sentence, so it's in your mind. How you work with it is up to you once again.

Ya I don’t find muscimol to be much like alcohol. I dunno what “thought thoughts hla bla bla” has to do with it. They have affinity for different GABA receptors and alcohol doesn’t resemble GABA at all. If you think alcohol smd muscimol are the same good for you.

No disrespect, I was just pointing out your heady way of relation. We can never get to know everything.
Someday you'll see that intellect is a false God or not...
Anyhow, you have all the right to be here on Earth and have your fantasies, as everyone else.
Just don't expect to get 1up on anyone. Life will show you what's what anyway. Take it easy 🙏
 
> Okay smoke nicotine to heal nicotine addictions then.

I think what northape meant is commercial tobacco products are specifically designed in a such way (these days at least), that it is very hard to quit smoking them.
Whether it is additives or something else, I don't know exactly. For example, modern cigarettes don't go out by themselves, once lit. Natural tobacco products, if you stop puffing, they stop burning. This, I think, pushes on "urgency/scarcity" negative drivers and make you take puffs more frequently with cigarettes, than with (for example) tobacco pipe.
Thus creating a strong habit, which also works well in alignment with one of the strongest instincts humans have since birth, which is to suck on mom's teats.
 
I don't believe that humans are merely mechanical robots and that molecules pushing their buttons are the cause of everything that happens to them.

What gets me most excited is experiencing and learning, rather than getting into arguments about differing paradigms. People only share with those who are receptive to what they have to share.

İf you believe psychological trauma has nothing to do with addiction, and it's all just about addictive substances, we are indeed living in different universes. To me, the only true way to heal addiction and addictive way of life is through a life that has connection in all it's dimensions. This is a very deep topic that I have a lot to say about, just perhaps this is not the right time and place for it.

Your posts had their place in my inspiration over the years in the ayahuasca forums and here, Jamie. Thank you.
 
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> Okay smoke nicotine to heal nicotine addictions then.

I think what northape meant is commercial tobacco products are specifically designed in a such way (these days at least), that it is very hard to quit smoking them.
Whether it is additives or something else, I don't know exactly. For example, modern cigarettes don't go out by themselves, once lit. Natural tobacco products, if you stop puffing, they stop burning. This, I think, pushes on "urgency/scarcity" negative drivers and make you take puffs more frequently with cigarettes, than with (for example) tobacco pipe.
Thus creating a strong habit, which also works well in alignment with one of the strongest instincts humans have since birth, which is to suck on mom's teats.

Very well put.
I'll add that traditionally, tobacco used to give power to intention or prayer.
What intention is in commercial products if not profit?
There is always a higher level of reality (hyperspace or spirit world) with its own set of rules.
Just looking through a narrow lens of modern materialist worldview gets one nowhere, imo.

I don't believe that humans are merely mechanical robots and that molecules pushing their buttons are the cause of everything that happens to them.

What gets me most excited is experiencing and learning, rather than getting into arguments about differing paradigms. People only share with those who are receptive to what they have to share.

İf you believe psychological trauma has nothing to do with addiction, and it's all just about addictive substances, we are indeed living in different universes. To me, the only true way to heal addiction and addictive way of life is through a life that has connection in all it's dimensions. This is a very deep topic that I have a lot to say about, just perhaps this is not the right time and place.

Arguments and this nexus discourse were what drove me away. Many people come here with very consolidated views and just want verification.
Purely my folly trying to make anyone understand. Still, I'm a total hopeless idiot, believing in open mind and heart above all.
We are analog beings stuck in a digital paradigm. And yes, addiction is a way to cope with whatever pains one.
No need to go far or read many books if an addict just honestly looks at the situation.
 
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The complex phytochemistry we see around is today is the result of millions of years of plant and insect co-evolution. Us mammals came later and our brains had to adapt to the chemistry rich environment around us and so we have receptors for these things.

I don’t believe killing, drying and then smoking the body of a plant puts you in contact with its spirit. I just honestly don’t and I never have. I think these molecules do profound things in the brain and possibly affect consciousness on a quantum level. I believe in all sorts of weird unexplained psychic type stuff taking place I just honestly don’t think we are in contact with actual plant spirits any more than I think if a cougar eats me tmrw in my back yard I will appear in its dreams to teach it lessons.

It’s not that I don’t think shamanism or witchcraft etc as a phenomenon is real. It’s the interpretation that gets me.
 
I can appreciate both viewpoints, even though I personally also don't believe in contacting any spirit through molecules. However I don't see the point of trying to convince someone that has a different viewpoint about it: without a shared framework to understand reality, there can't be any convincing or arguing there. I do like to hear about the experiences and viewpoints of people who do believe in the spirits of plants and such, I think they transmit valuable information even if I don't agree with the interpretation (at least for the moment). To me it's not different to getting some insights from ancient spiritual traditions (e.g. veddic Hinduism), even if I don't literally believe what they do. Similarly, I think someone that believes in plant spirits shouldn't completely disregard the physiological mechanisms of action (but it's not my problem if they do).

I see how for someone addicted to nicotine, having harsh, "poisoning"-like experiences with a nicotine-containing plant instead of it just being a quick stress reliever could help reframe his relationship with the drug. In part it reminds me of aversion therapy. I don't smoke and don't intend to, I was just curious about people's experiences using mapacho to quit smoking, hence my question.

About the nature of the A. muscaria experience, I want to point out that it seems that experiences can be very different, maybe due to the specific strain, growth conditions and drying process. In my case it didn't remind me of alcohol, it reminded me of pregabalin or maybe phenibut. Maybe benzos, but at least at the dose level I took it lacked that "heaviness" feeling and it was more like the opposite: a feeling of lightness. It also provoked extremely vivid dreams that are nothing like any of the above substances. But for someone that hasn't tried other gabaergic than alcohol, I can see how alcohol would be the closest point of reference. I have also read other people's experiences that sound very alcohol-like.
 
If anyone wants to understand the notion of Spirit from a western viewpoint, I'd advise reading "More Than Allegory - On religious myth, truth and belief"
by Bernardo Kastrup. It's a short read about why myths are useful.
@blig-blug was right on point and I have no other gaba point of reference than alcohol, so I chose common denominator here.
 
I don't think anybody over here disregards the physiological aspect of plant experiences, @blig-blug. Such a person would have nothing to do with the Nexus, which honestly reflects materialist culture more than anything else. This has value because of the legitimacy of the chemical reality that pervades this topic, and is also understandable because of the cultural background of the people who created it. However, if even a single use of the word spirit is triggering, and invokes a belittling attitude and slanders like "crap" without the slightest openness or curiosity to understand the deeper meaning of what is shared, and this passes as normal, then this constitutes a problem.
 


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