The ultimate truth: You can choose what to believe! Are you God of your own Life? Who is in control?

[cellux]

My friend, you are slowly getting into radical Christian territory... Beware of the demons, they are plentiful in those places...

The latest occult scam to capture the imagination of the West is called The Secret. The book by that name, a top New York Times bestseller, has quickly sold more than 6 million copies and the DVD over 2 million copies. Both contain numerous errors, misrepresentations, false premises, and false promises. Who cares? You should. With the following information, you could rescue someone from hell.

Oh, this stuff again... I could never get rid of that. The idea of this CHOICE which at one point you meet in your life... and then you decide in all seriousness: should I stay or should I go... This is such an uncomfortable idea in Christianity. I don't like it at all, the rebel I am.

As you get along this path, leave some signposts here, I would be more than interested in the results of your soul-search.

 

[live]

It is not my intention to completely and radically discredit the law of attraction and teachings connected to that.

I think that this tool - the law of attraction ideology - is neither good nor bad. But if an individual uses it without clearly defined moral values, he becomes highly vulnerable for the influence from other-dimensional beings. To my understanding this beings have also free will to certain degree and do have the ability to influence an individual, i. e. to manipulate him. From our perspective, some of these beings are evil and have evil intents. And because they are highly developed and have much higher consciousness than us, they can manipulate an individual in an unimaginably pervert way. Google for drug psychosis to get an idea what I am talking about. Drug psychosis is just a psychological term for an observed externalization of a behavior that psychologists do not understand at all.

SWIM has experienced that the whole "you are god" ideology, SWIM has learnt in the past years, is ultimately a road to hell in the most literal way! The only difference is that people are riding this road very slowly, while SWIM has used DMT to fast forward the path on this road.

SWIM has learnt that Satan does exist. It is not our ego as supposed by some psychologists. And it does not exist simply in our heads manipulated by the "evil" media as people often preach. It exists outside of our dimension and tries to manipulate our souls into following its ideology. This manipulation is highly profound as these forces are highly familiar with our nature, with our psychology. These forces are very powerful and are able to put ideas in our heads and to orchestrate events around us to manipulate us into believing in whatever is beneficial for those forces.

It is true that your desires might manifest into real experience. The important question is who/what does manifest it for you. The law of attraction teachers do not introduce you to the evil forces, they only tell about the universe which brings you whatever you desire! This is the core lie in those teachings.

 

[jamie]

Of couse satan doesnt exist. The whole rise of "satan" in christianity(roman) was a political tactic that stole the pagan image on the horned god Pan and painted it as an evil diety in order to controll the masses with fear.

I dont agree with your analogy either as believing that you are god ultimatily is the "road to hell"..I dont even believe in hell and now you sound like a religous fundamentalist..

"Google for drug psychosis to get an idea what I am talking about"

Googling drug psychosis in no way validates what you are saying..

"SWIM has learnt that Satan does exist. It is not our ego as supposed by some psychologists. And it does not exist simply in our heads manipulated by the "evil" media as people often preach. It exists outside of our dimension and tries to manipulate our souls into following its ideology. This manipulation is highly profound as these forces are highly familiar with our nature, with our psychology. These forces are very powerful and are able to put ideas in our heads and to orchestrate events around us to manipulate us into believing in whatever is beneficial for those forces."

Again "satan" is largely a Roman fabrication for political controll..you can belive what you want, but personaly I just think your filling yourself with fearful delusions.

I also think you have fundamentally misunderstood what most of us mean when we state "we are god"..and that rediculous moive "the secret" has nothing in common with that.

 

[jamie]

"The true “secret” is that God is in control. God has a sovereign and perfect plan for us. The key is getting in tune with God, thereby understanding His heart and knowing His will"

:shock: :shock:

You dont know much about christianity before Rome do you??
Id rather not fall into this deluded Roman Catholic trap.

How can you prove to me that this isnt just all a projection from inside your own psyche?

First you were into "the secret"..but then you watched "inception"..and now you are suddenly into the "bible"..but where is YOU'RE gnosis in all of this?

"Be patient and at least give yourself a chance to consider an alternate perspective."

And just what would that be?..The extremely ambiguous belief that there is some man up there somewhere controlling all of our actions like puppets for his own pleasure, and another one secretly plotting against all of us in some strange attempt to trick us?..sure..but maybe YOU should be patient and rethink that^ whole system of belief.

Seriousily..just take some time to think about what you are saying..comming to the conclusion that "the secret" is a bunch of shit is one thing, and makes alot of sense..but then you go out on this shady limb making all these othe claims about God being some man, and the devil trying to trick etc..and it seems you have based some of this on movies like inception..dont you think you have jumped to a few conclusions here prematurely? You have gone from one polarity to the other..isnt there some sort of middle ground?

 

[Apoc]

"The true “secret” is that God is in control. God has a sovereign and perfect plan for us. The key is getting in tune with God, thereby understanding His heart and knowing His will"

:shock: :shock:

You dont know much about christianity before Rome do you??
Id rather not fall into this deluded Roman Catholic trap.

How can you prove to me that this isnt just all a projection from inside your own psyche?

Ay, there's the rub. No one can know that. No one can know if everything is a projection of their own psyche, or if what they perceive as their own psyche has actually been placed by some God beyond the universe. There is no possible way to confirm or deny it. That's the position everyone finds themselves in. They CAN'T know. I wonder if live will come to the point where he can't know. Or if he'll continue on thinking it's all demons from other dimensions.

 

[ismokecrystals]

I think the following allusion is appropriate: In the Aladdin Movie series by Disney, Jafar uses one of his wishes to become a genie which shows his evil nature and traps him in a lamp. Aladdin on the other hand wishes to free the original Genie and henceforth has a magical buddy aiding him in his travels.

 

[Chupang]

I just want you to know i really enjoyed reading about your Drug induced psychosis.:d

 

[Steely]

The one sure fact is that we need all be thankful we are merely capable of questioning the existence and any possible purpose of ourselves and the universe around us; if there was a grand secret to it all, with one true answer that is finally discovered, the world would go on as it does now. We will all go to work the very next day (Those of you who are employed that is *sigh*), but what would be different is that there wouldn't be a point anymore.


My point is saying that mystery provides motivation for people as easily as an invisible friend keeps the monsters whom may corrupt you at bay.

Everyone has their own way to be happy, and at peace with the world, but each way is different.

For Christ, Allah, and what ever it is Atheists believe in sake, let the individual decide what gives them motivation to live happily.

I'm not sick of religion because of all the beliefs they try pushing onto people, it's always easy to ignore it, I'm sick of religion because they can't seem to be content with already controlling the mass population of the world.

"Gotta catch'em all", I guess.

 

[live]

The life on planet Earth in human form is a long and complex trip for our souls, just like the short trips you would experience on DMT. It is possible that just like in DMT worlds you have a guide in your earthly life, better known as guardian angel.

SWIM had psychosis episodes for two months after his last horror trip. The experience was painful and psychologically wearing. However, it was very informative. SWIM has gotten very interesting insights. In the latter days SWIM feels a little bit tired but confident.

It seems like SWIM was cleansed by means of psychosis of destructive belief systems. The basic nature of psychosis is the mental ability to see the consequences of different belief structures in a very distant future. This is extremely frightening if a belief has a destructive nature. Just imagine the feeling when you realize that the belief that currently appears to you constructive turns out to be of highly destructive nature in a distant future! As soon as SWIM started to see psychosis as a way of teaching, he decided to drop beliefs that turned out to be destructive and found relief after that.

In the following SWIM wants to share some major destructive belief structures that are very popular nowadays and thus possibly relevant to you.

We are God

SWIM has often encountered in New Age spiritual teachings that God does not exists in the biblical sense but has spitted itself in us for the sake of self experience. Thus, we are God collectively. This idea is presented not as a philosophical thought experiment but as the ultimate truth. This belief structure has been presented to SWIM as very destructive and thus must be false.

Besides, in the Bible there is the entity called Satan, whose mission is to seduce people into following his path. One of his major tricks is to disguise himself as God. Very interesting coincidence, don’t you think?

We are not God in amnesia and not one entity which is one soul having a simultaneous experience in multiple bodies. The idea that we are God is based on the New Age propaganda. It is not an ultimate truth but a thought experiment of logical nature. We are connected but we are not one and the same entity.
Allow me to illustrate this with our computer technology. The internet is one network, one entity. Still, internet consists of many connected computers. The idea that all computers are one is logical, but not physical.

SWIM found information in books from Michael Newton (www.spiritualregression.org) relevant and validated by SWIM’s experiences in hyperspace. Mr. Newton is a psychologist who has gotten a lot of information about the life between lives on Earth from patients under hypnosis. It seems like the afterlife looks very like a DMT world with guides and souls. His patients also admit that there are many worlds and Earth is one of the toughest ones.

It looks like our physical dimension was designed by some highly developed soul and filled with life including our human bodies. This entity is the loving God who allows us to experience his world. In his world there are physical laws but also spiritual laws (one of the most important laws is to keep everything in balance). If a soul experiencing human life breaks these laws it will be informed about it by means of experience. If the soul does not listen and breaks the laws on a consistent basis for a long period of time God or entities watching over this world (angels?) will induce a premature life termination, aka death. Just like that, SWIM has been kicked out of a DMT world, because he found this world boring and the creator of that world has picked up his feelings immediately and "closed" the world. Similarly, a worker will be fired if he does not respect the rules of the company.

All this demonstrates that we are not God that created the physical times-space-reality including our bodies! For SWIM it is quite a privilege to have the chance to live in this world, to have human experience. Thank you God for giving SWIM this chance!

We grow to become God

The idea that we grow to ultimately become God is also presented as the ultimate truth by many New Age authors but is mere an option.
A soul seems to have a certain amount of free will. This amount is higher during the human experience and lower in the afterlife. You certainly have the option to go to "school" where you learn to control free energy and to create worlds like ours. However, you also have the option to remain a "small" soul that enters our world life after life and creates great things with human hands. There is no obligation for growing, since there are infinite numbers of aspects you can learn and experience as a "small" soul.
By the way, isn’t it great to be rather normal than the best in everything? Imagine you suddenly become rich or extraordinary good at something. All your friends will not keep up with you. You will have to find new friends which are similar to you. And if you grow further, there won’t be anyone left who is like you. Just imagine how many pop stars feel. The feeling of being alone is like hell.

There is no afterlife.

There is also the idea that this life is one and only we have. After death our consciousness merges with God or the One and, thus, ceases to exist as a separate entity connected to God.

From a certain perspective it is true, since every life is unique. A soul does not necessary remembers all its lives after its return to the spirit world. The guides (or whatever entities are responsible for this) do not allow this to happen if a past life contains unpleasant or sinful experiences. If a soul have done a lot of sins in its previous lives these lives are erased or hidden forever from the soul after it has learnt from these experiences and compensated them. If a soul creates a good life, memory of which will not stress it, this memory is restored in the afterlife. This might be the idea of eternal life the Bible promises for good people.

The idea that this is the only life we have is, again, a destructive belief pattern. On the obvious level, it encourages people to do crazy and often destructive things, since there are no consequences to fear in the afterlife.

But there are consequences! These consequences are not some form of punishment - it only appears as such from our perspective. It is the natural process of instant remembering of what is right and constructive. This reminds SWIM of the film "The Punisher" where the guy manipulates the mafia boss to kill his best friend and his wife for things they have not done. The boss feels himself to be righteous. Just imagine his feelings after he realizes that he had been manipulated to kill his loved ones for nothing! This is very similar to the remembering process in the afterlife.


Happiness.

People often pursue something to acquire happiness. Many people want to become rich without the understanding that their belief is that being rich will bring happiness.
However, everything in these worlds belongs to the God who designed this world and us. He can control even our feelings. God is very powerful, loving and patient. He allows everyone of us to create our own experience despite his suggestions. For teaching purposes he may allow you to gain all the riches of the world but will not give you happiness, because you asked for the riches of the world but not for the happiness

Therefore you must be loyal to God. Respect his creation and allow him to guide you. Trust him.


Thanks for reading.

 

[gibran2]

His patients also admit that there are many worlds and Earth is one of the toughest ones.

It sure seems that way sometimes, doesn’t it?

 

[Saidin]

Interesting live, and good to hear that you have been able to integrate your expeirences and come to an understanding within yourself. I disagree that these beliefs are destructive, at least not for me. It all depends upon how you apply and integrate them into your life and experience, and depending upon that, they can be destructive or not.

I would be cautious of using the Bible as a reference source as well, at least literally as the real truths are hidden in metaphor.

I personally believe that we are sparks of the Divine that evolve back into Source through experience. I am You, and You are Me. In that lies freedom, compassion and unconditional love. That is not destructive.

How Sacred You Are...

 

[zubidlo]

Hi everybody,

We don't know if this going to be relevant to discussion (we don't care) and we don't want to hurt anyone feelings (we care).
This is not going to be 'a metaphysically insightful or a deep philosophical concept', rather simple points learned from everyday experience.
We feel like telling it, so forgive us.

We all learned, that consciousness (we mean awareness of our existence in this moment) is not 'generated' by brain and we are not mind (we mean that voice character we hear in our head).
Consciousness appear to be much 'bigger' than that, we are sure that actually body and mind is in it and not other way around.
We think (after many interesting experiences, thanks to psychedelics as well ) that probably whole universe is in it, like in big bubble. But we are not sure about this yet.
We noticed that there is no time in consciousness either. Time is only our mind concept as many others. Therefore time feels slower when we are bored, sad, melancholic etc. and fly fast when we don't mind it(time).

Our biggest mistake is that we deeply identify ourselves with the mind (the voice) and suffer when it does. But it is not our fault.
It is our parents fault that they raised us wrongly and actually pushed as toward that trap. Generation after generation, for very long time...
There was no subject in basic schools (among reading and math) teaching us what mind really is and how to control it as any other organ in body. But realistically it is understandable, not many teachers capable of teaching this are walking this planet:d

But anyway, around the age of 15 all of us should be able to control the mind (give it a task, shut it up when it's finished with it, enter the empty consciousness awareness anytime...and much more, it can do wonders when it is used properly(some people say)).
Instead we are it's slaves, believing that we are it, with it's fears, delusions, complexes, philosophies...We have built prison for our selfs ,waiting to be controlled even more

But we can fight, there is still time. We do practice simple meditation techniques by rooting our thoughts into single consciousness (thought 'I'm') and don't mind the mind:d We don't fight against it's pestering, urges, fears, depressions...no, we ignoring it as often as possible. We learned that it is emotional connection, which pull as to it. For example, if we like(emotional connection) what mind is saying, it will go on and on. Or if we're worried(emotion) about what it says , the same result.
So we don't take it that seriously any more. Are we bored? Let's Be. We want to do something. No. This is the way. Cut the emotional connections with it and it will calm down, because no one cares to listen to it:d
We don't take life that seriously any more. Run! there is our bus leaving the station!!! Whatever, fuck it.
We learned to calm it down, be quiet and become closer and closer to 'just be' awareness, which we find very ecstatic and liberating.

What we don't do anymore is to use it to creating 'philosophical' concepts and looking for 'answers' which are again only concepts created by other minds. Mind fancy these games, they make it feel smart and important, which creates emotions pulling us more to it, proud to be it. Mind like us to listen to it's 'wisdom'. But do we need dogmatic religions, mind blowing philosophies, esoteric systems, cults etc?. All just mind concepts, leading nowhere.

Like this one here you just read:d

Regards,

 

[clearlyone]

... rather simple points learned from everyday experience.

Every drop of existence, every photon of light, every atom of contact was headed your way and your way only. They were received by none other. It is uniquely your universe.

I cannot be in a world. Every photon, particle of taste, smell and impact is translated and signaled to the brain where ALL is displayed. All experience is within - to the farthest galaxy - all its light, all its information. And within this ALL I find a boundary of skin and curious correlation of senses and declare "there I am, in a world".

These are merely conceptual crutches I often crack on my head. Perhaps someday my eyes will stay open on their own. For all the beauty on display, there is only one thing truly must know to be fulfilled. And it is this:

 

[Morphane]

Live: thanks for making me aware of such an interesting concept. I'm going to borrow Journey of Souls from my library ASAP.

 

[live]

...I am You, and You are Me.

We are connected at some higher level which itself represents a perspective. But at the level where we are connected we appear as if we were one. At this perspective ego do not apply, thus the "I" and the "You" lose their meaning. The statement that "I am you and you are me" is a gross simplification of how it may be, based on the idea that "we are all one". May be we were one at the beginning (if there was something we could term like that), but again, now we are not one but connected.

The destructive belief pattern that can flourish on the idea that "we are all one" and "I am you and you are me" is as follows: Since you are me I may allow myself to know better what is best for you! Many parents think like this about their children and optimize their lives against their will.

It can be even more dangerous. Since "we are all one" or "we are collectively God" an individual may start to consider certain people or groups as parts of himself (which many of us already do). If he dislikes these parts of "himself" he may decide to cleanse himself of these parts by simply killing these people, convinced that he is simply removing an abscess.

There is certainly a positive side, since this belief reinforces the idea of "loving your neighbor as yourself".

We are not one and the same entity. We are separate conscious entities and we are all connected and affecting each other.

Yet two more destructive beliefs SWIM has forgotten to share.

We live in parallel universes.

This is a really big one, since even modern scientists, mostly in the field of quantum physics, start to present this idea as a scientific truth that has to be proven yet. They believe that every decision of a person produces a split of the universe. Now we live in an infinite number of universes where copies of ourselves live an alternative lives based on alternative decisions we have not made in this universe. The film "The One" demonstrates this idea. There, Jet Li plays the main character, travelling among parallel universes, killing his duplicates to gain more energy and to become invincible.

SWIM had recognized this theory or idea as false during the psychosis. Human life seems rather to be a unique time-space-path. If we were able live and experience all versions of our lives (in parallel or sequentially) your decisions would lose their weight. You might allow yourself to do destructive things, since there is still a copy of you who have not done these things.

Remember, SWIM does not speak about a normal contemplation on theory of parallel universe. During psychosis he has experienced the truth of it. It appeared to SWIM as if it was the undeniable truth. He was conscious of that fact that he does live in parallel universes and the current him is just a copy of many. It felt like hell and as soon SWIM stated to understand that this is not the case, that he is rather on a unique time-space-journey, the psychosis episode started to diminish.

Travel back in time is possible.

Based on this idea of parallel universe, people build theories that the travel back in time is actually possible: You enter a universe at some point in the past, produce another split and return to the consequential future of that particular split you have produced. Remember the movie "Back to the Future"?

In the past, I found the story of Billi Meyer very convincing. This guy shares an elaborate story of having travelled with the pleiadians (a race of aliens that look very human) to their world and also to the past of the Earth. He could even step out of the space-time-ship and take photos of dinosaurs! However, his photos of the "wedding cake UFO" have been proven fake, built of a container lid. You may laugh now but if you listen to the story on YouTube without prejudices, you will at least understand that some people will find the story believable!

It seems to be possible to travel back in time for spirits and even advanced civilizations having physical bodies. But this travel would consist of mere observation of the past.
Some Michael Newton’s patients report that between lives when they were souls without a body it was possible to travel to the past. But they were only spirits unable to affect the past in any way. It is even a common practice for souls to review the life they have lived, which is essentially travelling to the past.

Pleiadians also tell us that they have traveled through time to help us (source "Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians"). It is not clear to me if information can travel through time and why it has to travel through time at all instead of simply exist. This question remains open to me.

Human life is a unique times-space-path. In this sense, your life is your unique creation.
You cannot change the past. You cannot travel to the past. Even aliens cannot do that! The only thing you can change is yourself and your relation to the past, which is nothing new in psychology.

 

[Saidin]

The destructive belief pattern that can flourish on the idea that "we are all one" and "I am you and you are me" is as follows: Since you are me I may allow myself to know better what is best for you! Many parents think like this about their children and optimize their lives against their will.

Yes, I can see how that particular manifestation of the concept can be destructive. But in my opinion it is a misinterpretation of the essense of the understanding. Since I am you and you are me, you are free to experience your individuated manifestation in any way you choose. If I judge you, then I am judging myself and what is the point in that? How can I possibly know (in an individuated incarnational state) what is best for you or what lessons you have chosen to learn? If you allow yourself to think you know better what is best for anyone else, you have missed the point altogether and are living in a state of separation from yourself and not in a state of unity.

Parents think like this about their children because they have been conditioned to do so by society. We have all been conditioned since birth to note the differnces between us, our separateness, rather than the similarities or our unity.

It can be even more dangerous. Since "we are all one" or "we are collectively God" an individual may start to consider certain people or groups as parts of himself (which many of us already do). If he dislikes these parts of "himself" he may decide to cleanse himself of these parts by simply killing these people, convinced that he is simply removing an abscess.

This I believe would be considered psychosis. There is a huge difference between knowing you are God, and thinking you are God.

Would one who truly understands that "we are all one" come to this conclusion about what is best for others? Would you cut off your nose to spite your face? Would you cut off a finger that was a bit crooked because you "didn't like" that part of yourself?

There is certainly a positive side, since this belief reinforces the idea of "loving your neighbor as yourself".

The true understanding lies in this statement of unconditional love. What you have been describing as destructive is simply dualistic thinking created by a separation from ourselves and a veil of forgetting that enables us to learn the lessons of manifestation. In my opinion if someone can manifest any of the destructive or self loathing aspects of this paradigm, they are not in a state of unconditional love and do not truly understand.

We are not one and the same entity. We are separate conscious entities and we are all connected and affecting each other.

We are and we are not at the same time. Think of it like this...

Imagine your body. Your body is made up of trillions of cells, each going about doing what they were designed for. Taking in nutrients, disposing of waste, replicating, just going about thier business of existence. When they die, their essence is recycled and formed into a new entity. They are all separate, yet they are all connected and affecting eachother. The sum of all those cells working in unison (and at times not working in unison ) is you. You are god to your cells. So they are, and they are not the same entity. They are you, and you are they. The many in the One, and the One in the many.

As above, so below.

 

[Apoc]

Great talks, Saidin, great talks. Indeed, the key to understanding this whole "we are one" thing, is that it is a completely inner phenomenon. If you indulge the idea of separateness, you look outward and see that things are not one, and you'll buy in to the idea that it's not really one. You'll cite the 5 senses to prove that all is not one, and that will be your ultimate proof, except you'll be fooling yourself and you know it. You don't realize that the instrument which is insisting that all is not one... is the only one there is. It's not that people can't comprehend oneness, it's that they don't want to. People would rather go about their protective ways, sniffing out threats, and evading or destroying the threat, which icnludes mental threats. I know because I've been through it, I go through it. I'm not saying it's bad or you shouldn't do it, I'm just pointing out that's how ego operates. That is the level at which most people operate.

And the key to the "inner phenomenon" that I speak of is unconditional love. You get to a point where it doesn't matter what appears to be happening on the outside. If there is love within..... who really cares what's going on "out there", and who cares what anyone says, or what arguments they have? If you indulge in a debate about whether or not it's all one, you're only trying to convince yourself of something which you are not certain. No one has to believe it, I'm just saying it's there if you want it. Part of that love is letting people do whatever dumb ass things they do, letting yourself do whatever dumbass things you do, but with a spirit of unconditional love inside.

 

[ayahuascan]

i dont see how the higher intelligence represents god.
it just seems that it is a subconcious intelligence.
that with dmt you are given access to explore it.

but from the atoms through infinity,
its turtles all the way down.
that is more likely what represents god.
as it is the creations that cannot be understood,
even on dmt or other forms of enlightenment.

just a humble opinion.
thanks