The way i take Ayahuasca from now on

[Sabnock]

215mgs of Harmalas in a capsule, taken and washed down with a tea made from 2 grams of Lemon Balm. After an hour and a half goes by (for the Harmalas to kick in), i periodically sip on a tasty Acacia Confusa and Lemon Balm tea, made with 4 grams of Lemon Balm and 9 grams of Acacia Confusa. The result, is fucking magnificent.

The Acacia tea is made using egg whites to remove the tannins, and the resulting tea is frozen, thawed and then separated as much as possible from any sediment that remains. The egg white method can be used for Acacia, Mimosa, Chaliponga or Chakruna, and the result is the same, practically tasteless and easy to get down, especially when mixed with some Lemon Balm tea. And btw, no acid is used or imo should be used with the DMT-containing plants, as if you use an acid like vinegar or even ctiric acid, it has much more of a taste and smell (not that the smell is bad, but the taste takes a little more to get down than if one doesn't use an acid).


The Harmalas of course can be extracted in full spectrum form or purified form, from both Caapi or Rue, and the resulting freebase extract powder can be loaded up into a single capsule and ingested, and the freebase powder digests well and works with zero problems.

The Lemon Balm is there to curb nausea and purging (for which it is really good at), as well as to slightly relax you into the experience. I've also noticed that Lemon Balm seems to make the experience much more visual and colorful.

And btw, this may just be my opinion, but i for one do NOT believe the purge is necessary, and the experience is as full as it's ever been, perhaps even more so, when the purge doesn't happen for me. Dosage, timing and your set/setting is key, once you get shit right, good things happen.

 

[112233]

Couldn't you just pour the harmala freebase in a shot of water and drink it that way, rather than waiting an hour and a half for the capsule to dissolve? I have yet to try harmala freebase, but I want to soon.

 

[Sabnock]

Well, it doesn't quite work that way. You see, i think i may be a slow metabolizer of Ayahuasca, because it takes about an hour and a half to two hours for the Harmalas to be fully kicked in for me. It has nothing to do with waiting for the capsule to dissolve, as it dissolves rather immediately. Back when i used to take ground up Rue seeds in capsules, within 10 minutes the capsules were all dissolved and i could very well taste the Rue seeds nastiness when burping. The Harmalas have always taken about 2 hours to fully kick in.

The reason i decided to wait an hour and a half to drink the Acacia, rather than drinking it 30 minutes after taking the Harmalas, is because at the one and a half to two hour mark, the Harmalas are in full effect which then allows me to drink as much Acacia as i want to, IE controlling how deep i go. If i were to drink the Acacia before the Harmalas fully kick in, for one there'd be the possibility of some of the DMT not becoming active which i think does indeed happen, and secondly the experience just seems different and not as full.

And about dissolving the freebase in water, you'd have to make the water acidic first for the Harmala freebase to dissolve, and even then it would taste like crap probably. That's what i like about a Harmala capsule, one single capsule can contain a full on dose of either purified Harmalas, or the full spectrum extract of Caapi or Rue. One capsule imo is way better than having to drink even the smallest amount of bitter Harmala water lol.

Who knows though, one might be able to use the egg white thing with a Caapi or Rue brew and the taste might not be as bad, i wouldn't know, but i myself like the Harmala capsule idea/method, it works great

 

[112233]

Right on, dude, thanks. I'll try the caps when I get some freebase made up. It would be nice to avoid drinking rue tea, though I don't mind the taste when mixed with peppermint, I'd like to try pharma with pure extraction.

 

[Sabnock]

Yeah, extracting the Harmalas i think is really the thing to do. To me, it feels so much cleaner, so much more natural, and while extracted Harmalas are much easier on the gut, at too high of a dose they will cause the purge and regardless they may cause some nausea which is why i add Lemon Balm into the mix.

And i honestly don't think simply extracting the Harmalas qualifies as Pharmahuasca. I mean, maybe it does, but Pharmahuasca generally is associated with freebase DMT and freebase Harmalas. But i've eliminated the need to extract the DMT, and instead use an egg white cleansed Acacia tea (or another DMT-containing plant for that matter), and use extracted Harmalas instead of a Rue or Caapi tea. So i'm kind of unsure what to call this, basically.

 

[Du57mi73]

Why do you take so much harmala alkaloids? 215mg is alittle excessive. 100 should be plenty?

 

[112233]

Yeah, extracting the Harmalas i think is really the thing to do. To me, it feels so much cleaner, so much more natural, and while extracted Harmalas are much easier on the gut, at too high of a dose they will cause the purge and regardless they may cause some nausea which is why i add Lemon Balm into the mix.

And i honestly don't think simply extracting the Harmalas qualifies as Pharmahuasca. I mean, maybe it does, but Pharmahuasca generally is associated with freebase DMT and freebase Harmalas. But i've eliminated the need to extract the DMT, and instead use an egg white cleansed Acacia tea (or another DMT-containing plant for that matter), and use extracted Harmalas instead of a Rue or Caapi tea. So i'm kind of unsure what to call this, basically.

It's pharma for me as I dissolve DMT crystals in lemon juice. I like extracting more than brewing acacia tea, plus I usually smoke changa mid pharma, so I need my crystals.

 

[Entheogenerator]

And i honestly don't think simply extracting the Harmalas qualifies as Pharmahuasca. I mean, maybe it does, but Pharmahuasca generally is associated with freebase DMT and freebase Harmalas. But i've eliminated the need to extract the DMT, and instead use an egg white cleansed Acacia tea (or another DMT-containing plant for that matter), and use extracted Harmalas instead of a Rue or Caapi tea. So i'm kind of unsure what to call this, basically.

From my understanding pharmahuasca typically refers to salts of DMT and harmalas (often DMT fumarate and HCl harmalas), not freebase. Salts are more easily absorbed than freebase when taken orally. That's why people sometimes dissolve freebase in lemone juice before ingesting, converting it to DMT citrate.

I would consider this to be kind of a hybrid of pharmahuasca and formosahuasca, not that categorizing it is really important.

Sometime in the next few months I intend to do some experimenting with the different aya analogues, and I'll definitely be trying your method.

 

[Sabnock]

Thanks for the replies. And yes, generally people tend to dissolve the Harmalas and DMT in an acidic solution and drink, but i find acidity makes for a much more pronounced taste, so i did kind of create a hybrid of sorts lol.

But hey, i might be mistaken, but by adding Lemon Balm to the Ayahuasca, it seems to bring on kind of a "drunken-like" feeling, which i think is because of Lemon Balms inhibition of GABA Transaminase, which allows the build up of GABA in the brain. And Ethanol aka Alcohol, works on the GABA system, so you can see where i'm drawing the similarity. But do not think in any way that it clouds the Ayahuasca experience or somehow carries over Alcohol's traits, it's VERY different, VERY interesting, VERY exciting.

 

[Sabnock]

Why do you take so much harmala alkaloids? 215mg is alittle excessive. 100 should be plenty?

Well, for one i think it's to do with the "Harmala Effect" as i have deemed it, but also because i'm fat, i weigh like 220 or thereabout, i REALLY need to lay off the junk food, dammit, lol. But the Harmala effect is very interesting, it's where the magic happens i think, and i think it's become my sweet spot. Granted, i might eventually back down to 210mgs or 205mgs of Harmalas, but for now things are right where i want them to be.

 

[Sabnock]

The only thing i can say about the Lemon Balm that i wish wasn't there, would be dry mouth. Gotta stay hydrated.

 

[Sabnock]

So, apparently i've figured out that 215mgs of Harmalas is indeed a full on Harmala dose. Which is awesome, because with the Lemon Balm, there's not really hardly any nausea, which without the Lemon Balm, 215mgs would most likely be way too much Harmalas for the average person. But the Lemon Balm does something with the Harmalas, i can't describe it because i can't quite put my finger on it's mechanism of action, but it def. does do something, something good, something useful

Pretty much i think my Harmala dosage correlates with about 6 grams of Rue seed, which is double what i first started out with (as i was taking 3 grams of Rue seeds, 4 grams max) and i used to purge every single time, and it was hardcore purging... But the Lemon Balm stops that, even for the ground up Rue seed in capsules. Damn Lemon Balm is awesome!

 

[3rdI]

Pharma is just using extracted alks instead of plant brews, you can put the alks in juice or in a capsule or a sandwich, its all pharma.

Why do you take so much harmala alkaloids? 215mg is alittle excessive. 100 should be plenty?

are these rue harmala's? the variation in peoples dosages always baffles me. If you don't mind me asking, whats your DMT dose with 100mgs of harmala's?

 

[Sabnock]

Yes, these are Rue Harmalas and i don't know my DMT dose, i don't extract DMT as i feel it's a waste. Taking the DMT-containing plant in tea form seems to work for me. So far i've made it up to about 9 to 10 grams of Acacia Confusa inner root bark and it's been pretty damn strong, strong enough to invoke speaking in tongues and full on open/close eyed visuals and colors and the feelings i get are really awesome.

 

[3rdI]

sorry I meant the dosage bit for Du57mi73 as 100mg seems pretty low on the harmala side.

but have you tried the same?

 

[PowerfulMedicine]

The way that you describe the effects of lemon balm on Ayahuasca sounds a lot like the way Datura or other tropane-alkaloid-bearing plants are supposed to affect Ayahuasca.

Less or no nausea and purging. It relaxes you into the effects with a slightly drunken quality. The visuals are increased.

This sounds like Datura. I am not very experienced with DMT. I've only used an ayahuasca brew once. But I predosed with a low dose of Datura, only got slight nausea at the beginning and did not purge.

I know that lemon balm is supposed to inhibit GABA transaminase, but do you think it's possible that high doses of lemon balm could have a slight anticholinergic effect?

This would explain why lemon balm works so well for this purpose.

 

[Vodsel]

I know that lemon balm is supposed to inhibit GABA transaminase, but do you think it's possible that high doses of lemon balm could have a slight anticholinergic effect?

It appears to be the contrary, lemon balm extract seems to have cholinergic activity.

 

[Sabnock]

An anticholinergic effect? Don't think so. From what i can gather, apparently Lemon Balm is an Acetylcholinesterase Inhibitor which allows for the buildup of Acetylcholine, so i guess you can say it has cholinergic properties.

From Wikipedia - "Lemon balm and preparations thereof also have been shown to improve mood and mental performance. These effects are believed to involve muscarinic and nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Essential oils obtained from Melissa officinalis leaf showed high acetylcholinesterase and butyrylcholinesterase co-inhibitory activities."

Edit - Lol Vodsel, you beat me to it

 

[PowerfulMedicine]

Well I'll be damned. I have no idea how lemon balm could be antiemetic then. It was just a hunch though. Just because the effects sound similar to a low dose of Datura doesn't mean that they are cause by the same pharmacological mechanisms.

I can't find any scientific explanation for it, although this herb has a long history of use as an antiemetic. It also has a lot of other uses. This herb seems like a heavy duty medicinal plant. I can't believe I've never paid it much attention.

 

[Sabnock]

Yeah, there's def. something to the Lemon Balm plant, and it does have quite a few uses. I'm just glad i tried it out with Ayahuasca, now i'm a fan of the combo. Granted, i do think there is such a thing as "too much" Lemon Balm in Ayahuasca, but just the right amount works wonders. I've taken up to 15 grams of Lemon Balm with Ayahuasca before, but i've found that 3 to 4 grams is really all that's needed to help with the stomach issues that Ayahuasca causes, 3 to 4 grams is a good dosage i believe, 5 to 6 grams max.