This is what Ketamine is like

[Siera]

I figured I'd write a trip report on Ketamine. It's nothing like DMT, mushrooms, mescaline, or any quote on quote "psychedelic".

Imagine the movie Alice in Wonderland...the cartoon like 'entities'.....quote on quote, "falling down the rabbit hole"...we will get there soon enough.

This is exactly what it was like for SWIM. 130 mgs were injected into their muscle in a sunny afternoon inside SWIM'S bedroom. SWIM was flipping through some of Alex Grey's artwork in bed when all of a sudden..........it felt like SWIM was dozing off.....then they felt so...tired, that they closed their eyes because it became impossible to keep them open. SWIM closed the book and layed down.

SWIM found herself in the middle of a conversation walking beside a man to her right. Although SWIM was understanding what was being said, it was completely from behind SWIM and this man. Like watching yourself from a camera following behind you.

Has anybody seen the movie Inception? They inject themselves with a 'special serum' that allows dream sharing. At the very end of the movie (spoiler alerts) Dom's character finally reunites with his son and daughter. THE LAST SHOT IS OF THE BOY JUMPING UP INTO DOM'S ARMS.

(Back to the trip):
At the end of SWIM'S trip she was teleported to a record store browsing through LPs. She suddenly picked out the record she had forgotten about (whatever that means, haha). The front cover of the cd she picked up and held in her hands was blue and tan and red. As she stood in the record store, joyous and excited that she found what she was searching for, she looked back at the front of the LP artwork and physically fell into the painting. There was a brief moment of silence and then.........


......she saw what appeared to be a white blob....nothing else. Suddenly the white blob began to rotate and form into an entity. The white rabbit. She thought to herself, "is that a cat, or a rabbit or...."

And finally she felt love from this and as this tiny white rabbit with bouncy long ears beautifully jumped into her arms; it was a hug. A loving embrace.

What a psychedelic surprise Ketamine is.

Ketamine is interesting and I think SOME people use it incorrectly. It should be used IM and in a room with some lighting, laying down in bed. MANY FAMOUS PEOPLE LIKE D. M. Turner died, because they took it and drowned in their bathtub.

DMT is entirely natural (in our bodies and in nature), while as Ketamine is synthetic.
DMT is a tryptamine. Ketamine is a psychedlic dissociative anesthetic.

And although entirely man made and synthetic, some occasions if you go past the K hole, you will not only meet entities of all types but you can and will find love from this experience. Some call it 'K land'.

Some call Ketamine 'psychedelic heroin'. I suppose because it does make you nod in and out throughout the trip. It also has some affinity for opiate and GABA receptors.

It's been called 'the Frankenstein molecule' and everybody has differing opinions.

SWIM never had encountered so many entities, and talked and reminisced with SO MANY ENTITIES.

I wonder why dissociatives like Salvia, DXM, PCP seem so unlike Ketamine (considering Ketamine was invented as a replacement for PCP).

Ketamine isn't scary or alarming like Salvia or PCP can be.

It feels like you're in a Disney cartoon on Ketamine, because you are.

Despite the fact that it isn't a perfect hallucinogen/psychedelic, in many regards SWIM is very, very glad to have had this experience.

Any thoughts or input regarding Ketamine would be kind.

 

[Shanghigher]

Glad you had a good time. Personally, I wouldn't go near the stuff with a barge pole, a nuclear biological chemical suit on, and guarded by ten clones of Cerberus.

My experiences with ketamine have both been unintentional, both drunk, and both thinking I was either snorting coke or mandy.

What overcame me on both occasions was a feeling a pure hopelessness and intense depression. I've been to some dark places over the years thanks to depression, but this is like getting a phone call to tell you that all your friends and family had a party to celebrate you weren't there, accidentally set fire to the house, and all died laughing because they won't have to see you anymore.

I wouldn't call it horrifying as there was no fear. Instead, it opened up a black hole of despair in my head that filled me with self-loathing, apathy for the future, and a strong desire to just die right there, right then. Both times I remember trying to walk it off, and both times encountered the effect it has on the body's motor skills, and was basically trapped in the hell hole until it wore off.

This was just from a decent sized line of the stuff. I shudder to think of the horror I'd encounter if I injected it.

There's three drugs I can think of off the top of my head I flat out refuse to have anything to do with, and Ketamine is one of them (smack and meth being the other two). This is entirely down to the experiences I've had with them, and while you can argue the case for set and setting, I will always find a better drug to do than ketamine, no matter where I am.

You are a much braver person than I, Siera.

 

[wishit]

Hello!
Sorry to disagree but I think K can be very scary. The most terrifying trip I ever had was with this stuff.
I took far too much and spent a couple of hours stumbling and falling around my mate's living room, scaring my friends in the process. One told me later that it looked like I was trying to fight the devil. Much of it I can't remember except for one vivid hallucination of being on the surface of the planet Mars. Definitely not in the room with my friends, I lost track of my body and mind, I went to Mars. A 360 degree view of nothing but red rocks and dust.
Injecting ketamine seems so crazy to me, why don't you try snorting small amounts?
Lets not forget that K destroys the bladder and can kill you if you overdose on it so please be careful.

 

[corpus callosum]

I think that IM is the way forward with ketamine, provided you pay attention to sterile technique and the ketamine is unadulterated.Surprisingly quick onset for an IM shot and one is ready to go about their business (after a fashion!) some 45-50 minutes later.

130mg is a fair dose but it really depends on ones bodyweight. 1.5-2mg/kg IM will take you to a K hole if you have no tolerance.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

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[Siera]

Obviously some of you weren't in the proper setting. Ketamine isn't scary at all as long as you don't mix it with alcohol or other stuff.

Soon SWIM will try DMT + Ketamine......from the trip reports it seems to be an OUTSTANDING combination. I can't imagine how vivid the visuals would be....and all the entities!!

Seriously though if done IM, and not combined with anything, in a perfect setting (a bed to lie down) it's hands down THE most cartoonish thing out there. At first I was skeptical but it's all about set and setting. Never 'snort' Special K. It's to special to be wasted that way. It's a entirely different drug when injected. It's main purpose in the medical field is to inject it.......so snorting it will not give you the BREAKTHROUGH Ketamine psychedelic trip, which is what got it banned in the first place. Doctors were injecting it and patients were getting really, really extremely high. No fear.

 

[expandaneum]

Seriously though if done IM, and not combined with anything, in a perfect setting (a bed to lie down) it's hands down THE most cartoonish thing out there.

for you


having a good experiance with a substance does not make it a good substance for every one or for that mater every time.

k can be nice but also very unsettling, it can go both ways

 

[Infectedstyle]

I for one am very interested in an effective ROA of K.

I don't agree that K is not scary. I think it can be very scary, even when done in a proper set and setting. It depends on who the person is that is using it. But it's benefits outweigh the scary part imo. And I'm interested in trying it.

I think wether it is scary or not depends on the relation one has with the subconscious. I'm honestly quite anxious about it.

 

[Guyomech]

My experiences with K have all been intranasally, but some have been quite large doses. I found that taken that way it was most effective with something visual such as a painting or a good trip video to visually activate it. At its peak it brought me to places I've been to on very high doses of acid. I found it to be not scary at all, with none of the existential vertigo that can come with other psychedelics. And I thought the 90 minute duration was perfect.

I'll tell you what I didn't like: the craving the next day. The person who introduced it to me was an experienced psychonaut but eventually revealed that he was injecting massive doses daily, and was barely functioning in his earthside life. I've known a couple K users like this. Now, I get a lot out of DMT and I freaking love LSD... But I have no problem spacing my experiences out by several months, or in some cases years. There's no jones or craving, more of an intellectual and emotional cycle that eventually brings me back to being ready for another trip. With K I believe it is different, perhaps because of its affinity for opiate receptors. I really didn't like the way that I wanted it. After thirty years of using cannabis, alcohol and various psychedelics, I've never wanted anything in that way. It freaked me out and I quit, even though the experiences had been so seductively lovely.

 

[wishit]

Put enough up your nose and trust me you will breakthrough.
I'm not saying do it.
If you do it'd be wise to sit or lie down.
Not at party like me.

I've experimented with ketamine a lot but not for a decade or so.
At this point in my life I don't miss it at all and could happily go the rest of my life never taking it again.

Each to their own.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

quote on quote

 

[Infectedstyle]

quote on quote

:?:

 

[Herba Luisa]

.....and can kill you if you overdose on it so please be careful.

OD is almost impossible because the LD50 of Ketamin is 77mg/kg (Mouse), that would be 6160mg for a 80kg Human, so with a 130mg dose you are 47fold below a lethal Dose!!

I used to inject it i.m. I had the most amazing experiences in a silent dark Room on a bed.

..it was most effective with something visual such as a painting or a good trip video to visually activate it.

To visually activate it on a lower dose i used to run a random TV-Show with the Sound turned off.

 

[wishit]

Hi Herba Luisa, thanks for correcting me. I had no idea the LD50 rate was so high.
It does seem unlikely that anyone would take 6 gram by themself!
I still dont think it's safe though but I dont know why! I can't verbalize or put into writing why I mistrust it so...
Maybe because it's made in a lab and not naturally occuring or something I don't know.

Don't get me wrong I enjoyed my time with special k, it's just that I didn't take much away from it, it seemed disjointed, fragmented and hard to remember, I didn't learn much from it. Although in fairness that could've been because I was always on other stuff as well.

"Why trust one drug and not another? That's just prejudice innit?!' = 'Withnail and I'

 

[soulfood]

For me, the ketamine breakthrough is quite profound and it does indeed remind me of DMT with more physical sensations, however lacking the 'AI'

Ketamine can be too easy to use too often as it's a small commitment comparative to other substances. It's easier to do than getting stoned and the recovery rate is far quicker. The problem is I find it interferes with my sleep and that's the main thing that keeps me away.

I frowned upon it for years, but I've not been tripping due to trying to get over anxiety issues and ketamine seemed like a good choice to ease my way back in. It's in many ways well suited to anti-anxiety and the duration is such that if things go south, the peak is short and the medical history gives me enough confidence at reasonable levels of use (the breakthrough Ketamine dose is considerably lower than the medical dose). DMT may seem like a better choice in that regard but the perception of heart rate makes it difficult to commit to.

My main tip keeping a hold of sensible ketamine use is to not use it socially or in any other way where multi-dosing becomes the objective. You can quite happily take many small intranasal doses spaced out through the day and appear to be functioning normally and it does have a way of socially lubricating without letting you make a fool of yourself in a low calorie manner. Stopping's tricky though and stories of Ketamine addiction are not pretty... especially the part about bladder issues.

Now I only use it if I want to break into someones house and I have around 100mg, melt and drip down the chimney... getting out's tricky though.

If I want to have a dissociative trip with friends I prefer 3-meo-pcp as I never have an urge to redose and the duration is plenty. 10mg keeps me in the mode for around 8 hours and I never feel like using it on consecutive days.

I respect the potential of dissociatives in the same regard as the classic psychedelics, but they require a whole other kind of care obviously with risk of addiction being much higher, mania at higher doses and delusions with frequent use being the key issues. This may be my own paranoia talking, but I also suspect blood pressure issues with this class of substances, in particular the artificial chemicals.

 

[No Knowing]

This thread will likely be of interest.

Ketamine Thread

IME, Ketamine is not worth the mental resources it needs to combat its addictive potential. There are so many non-addictive psychedelics that there doesn't seem much use in playing with "psychedelic heroin." Ketamine can turn people into the worst kinds of "hungry ghosts" I've ever seen.

The dangers of abuse and subsequent physical/emotional/mental damage are great. Its bingey-ness is especially dangerous as a few grams at a festival could lead to semi/permanent bladder damage. The ability to take small amounts all day and function socially and at work is equally dangerous.

I say this from my own painful experience with Ketamine.

The thread I posted above has lots of good info on this subject.

Don't learn this lesson the hard way.

 

[Siera]

I think DMT can be 'addictive' and cannabis can be addictive.

Yeah I just figured I'd write a trip report on K....

.......and I know that it isn't always gonna be the same for everybody else.



SWIM has had much more exposure to DMT prior to K.

So there's no question that DMT can show you life changing visuals, so incredibly rapid and insane that, .......if one were able to show an outsider, that they too would have the same jaw-dropped reaction (talking of course about the DMT breakthrough)

Many people believe that DMT is a sort of 'secret' of the universe. Or to quote McKenna "it's almost as if DMT is THE SECRET".
Even 'bad' trips on DMT.......you should be able to still have learnt something strange from. The same goes for LSD.

Smoked spice always gave swim ULTRA strong open eyed visuals.....however the CEVs were either too accessible or predictable, so SWIM just would keep their eyes open. DMT is a tool, obviously, where you can look at nature from a fresher enlightened view. And you can remember much of it because its part of our makeup. LSD and Ketamine are not completely natural, unlike DMT.

SWIM personally feels that acid and weed can both form habits. In order for an addiction to happen there has to be an abundance of it. In my opinion weed is far more addictive than cigarettes; even though nicotine is technically physically addictive...

Everybody is different though.

Every psychedelic SWIM has come across, each one has character and something unique about it. I remember reading Shulgin's opinion of smoked DMT, comparing it to being hit by a truck, and thinking......so what? But some people have a preference.

DMT is worth it, in SWIMs opinion, but was sort of mentally addictive. Perhaps because SWIM found it to be so beautiful (the way it feels). DMT can be so insanely blissful that you can cry. This made SWIM more mentally 'hooked', smoking it until there was no more. But it's far from being synthetic.

Just because its partially synthetic doesn't mean bad. The entire hippie movement was fueled by weed and LSD, and too this day some of the greatest musicians, artists, minds etc, are due in part to consuming acid....and then CREATING their own worlds. But acid can kick your ass as well.

Acid seemed magical and like a lightbulb went on! Pure LSD can be so life changing. An LSD breakthrough can be JUST AS MUCH EMOTIONALLY JOYOUS as a DMT breakthrough, but yet still very different.

K holes, though? I've seen lots of crazy stuff. Lots. It's the trip for SWIM, where they just lay back and watch, while discovering....

Maybe Ketamine isn't nearly as 'pure' as acid or as 'enlightening' as spice. But the K-hole has some real visual power, that one cannot physically achieve on DMT.

 

[Siera]

SWIM would like to clarify; they found Ketamine to have far more CEVs, than DMT....ketamine doesn't seem to have much to offer in the typical OEV aspect (whilst DMT produced the most profound OEVs)

SWIM didn't mean to diminish the profoundness of DMT.

But Ketamine is considered by many 'a useless novelty', or 'synthetic' and 'addictive'......however SWIM disagrees that K is a subpar psychedelic merely due to stories of addictions.

And in return, bypassing it as an inferior tool from what insight one gains from their psychedelic trips...

Ketamine can produce a 'near death experience'.

For obvious reasons, this alone causes many differing opinions of the usefulness of Ketamine.

SWIM once took 100mg intramuscular, and experienced a true, near death experience. Which has had its profound change on not only the way SWIM views K,......but also on SWIMs perception of time. Being physically unable to move or speak, K offers up the psychedelic question. The same question SWIM experiences on all of the useful psychedelics.

The question is just being taken from a physical perspective. Similarly, DMT raises the same thought, but instead uses its hallucinations, drawn up directly from the experience, showing you your INCREDIBLE potential.

Everything is subjective. Including our individual being. But not limited to our 'egos'. Most psychedelics have the potential to show us the hallucination.

....But to say Ketamine isn't mind expanding and mind blowing.....to say that it doesn't fit neatly into 'the box'.....to even consider it non-psychedelic based merely on its dissociative action......seems judgement and unwise. Ultimately it comes down to preference and opinion (and your experience with K).

All apologies to anyone who is inherently against the use of Ketamine. Understood. This thread was simply meant to be SWIMs trip report of Ketamine. It was made to share knowledge and explain more clearly what K is like.

It's similar to lucid dreaming. You close your eyes and you can create images and speak to vivid entities, all of whom you personally create. If you imagine an entity, you will see it.

The ketamine k hole temporarily (45 minutes) allows the person to close their eyes, lay down, and enter (an otherwise blank place) and create hallucinations. The unique thing about K is that you imagine and create your hallucinations...from thin air.

And how vivid these closed eye visuals that you imagine can be! SWIM draws a comparison to flip book cartoons, but they actually interact with you (on an emotional level).

SWIM disagrees that it's hard to remember things on K. Yes, it can be easy to remember exactly when, where, and sketch out the entities later on afterwards.
Ketamine:
Yet another tool, when integrated specifically on the right person, shows the hidden unlimited potential that we all embody.

Thanks for reading!

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

I think DMT can be 'addictive' and cannabis can be addictive.

Yeah, but DMT and Cannabis 'addiciton' don't dissolve your bladder and leave you peeing through a tube for the rest of your life.

And while DMT may be addictive to some, the ratio of active users to those who are likely to get addicted is, I imagine, pretty low. Much lower than for ketamine. Most people seem to burn out on DMT after a while and need to take a break.

Blessings
~ND

 

[Siera]

Yes and like I said...dmt is part of our makeup. Every single person is a schedule 1 substance lol...