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Thoughts/information on Acacia Catechu bark (ordering online)

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Drake

Drake

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I have decided to make a topic on this species of Acacia, in hopes to get more information on it! Also in hopes to give Aussies a bark THEY can buy online! Or at least give us Aussies for options.


Basic info - Acacia catechu DMT[3] and other tryptamines in leaf, bark.

1st major problems are:

.What are the other tryptamines?
.And is there enough DMT to make it worth extracting?

These are the two main things that I need help with! For this to be worth while, need to know at least what the other tryptamines are.

Here is some basic info from two sites. I won't link the sites, I am sure I am meant to link stuff in the links topic so, anyway.

Botanical: Acacia catechu
Family: Leguminosae (legume)

Other common names: Babool, Indian Gum Arabic, Wattle Bark, Black Wattle, Babul

1 lb. Powder $80.00

Acacia Bark has been used medicinally for thousands of years throughout the globe, especially in Australia. Today, it is used mostly for digestive problems such as diarrhea. Acacia Bark is also an astringent with a high tannic acid content that helps to check bleeding, discharge and excess mucous. Recent research has discovered that an extract from this highly astringent herb may block the body's pain triggers.

Disclaimer:
The information presented herein by Viable Herbal Solutions is intended for educational purposes only. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA and are not intended to diagnose, cure, treat or prevent disease. Individual results may vary, and before using any supplements, it is always advisable to consult with your own health care provider.
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I also found something more interesting. Acacia Catechu (Acacia Bark) in the form of 5X Extract. This would mean a lot more Spice would be pulled from the 100g of powder! But is any DMT lost in this form?


Acacia Catechu (Acacia Bark) 5X Extract
Starting at: $2.50

This is a potent 5 to 1 powdered extract, meaning that one gram of extract is equal in potency to 5 grams of herb.

This is a pure herbal product with no additives. Extracted from sulfur-free and chlorine-free herbs for superior quality.

Manufactured in a low-temperature water extraction process to preserve herb integrity.

Extracted essential oils are replenished for proper potency.

Strict quality control testing to ensure microbiological and heavy metal safety.

Only powdered herb added to maintain purity (no artificial fillers such as lactose, cellulose or starch used).

TLC (Thin-layer Chromatography) tested to guarantee product quality.

We take great care to preserve delicate herbal oils, which are first evaporated using either a water or water-alcohol base in a process that never exceeds 100° centigrade.

Sealed vacuum chargers precisely control the temperature, ensuring that none of the oils are lost. Cheaper, high-temperature methods are common industry practice, but these tend to burn off the vital oils.

The facilities in Lanzhou and Guang Zhou, China, scientifically test each batch of herbs before, during and after the processing to make sure that all the active ingredients are present. Herbs are also tested to ensure that the formulas surpass all FDA guidelines regarding heavy metals. Those herbs exported to the U.S. are voluntarily submitted to the FDA for approval.

Finally, batches are regularly sent out for quality control testing in third-party labs to double-ensure that these products are 100% free of pharmaceuticals, preservatives and dyes.

The Lanzhou and Guang Zhou factories are so clean, they are certified by the Australian Government’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (GMP). These standards surpass any of the FDA, and are considered the highest for any government agency in the world.

Our Acacia extract is sold for legitimate ethnobotanical research purposes only and is not intended for human consumption! By ordering you are automatically agreeing to our terms and conditions.
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This all looks great. But I am wondering if the powder has been purged of any tryptamines. MHRB, when entering through customs, if they catch it they will want to remove any tryptamines in the bark. I wonder if the same is done here.

I really hope to get the views of many off the Nexus on this. For the good of us Aussies!

Also look onto this forums about the same subject - http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46666

This was last year, and the guy never replied back! Makes me wonder.

Unknown in this helps with what tryptamines are in the bark.

Phytochemistry: 2-12% catechins, 25-33% phlobatannin, 20-30% gummy matter, quercitrin and querctine [Unconfirmed]
 
What are the other tryptamines?
tryptamine carriers other http://deoxy.org/trypfaq.htm This will give you sources botanical names and info on tryptamine content.

Erowid Online Books : "TIHKAL" - The Continuation" by Alexander and Ann Shulgin Tryptamines Ive Known and Loved THE BIBLE
This all looks great. But I am wondering if the powder has been purged of any tryptamines. MHRB, when entering through customs, if they catch it they will want to remove any tryptamines in the bark. I wonder if the same is done here.

As long as it is not processed to remove anything you should be fine you. If it says 5x it should be five times stronger than so 1gram of 5x is equal to 5grams regular.

So as long as the bark is fresh and unprocessed it should be fine
 
It did not list Acacia Catechu? Although, yet another source for me to go over!
 
I have a feeling that you're better off trying the straight stuff, rather than a 5X version. There's no way to really know what they did or didn't take out in their extraction. If you try a further extraction on the 5X version and get nothing, then you'll end up having to try the straight stuff anyhow....so you should start with the straight stuff to begin with.
 
Also, this stuff is used for its medicinal content of catecholamines--not at all what you're looking for. If it had a high DMT content then there would no doubt have ended up being Asian shamans who used this stuff (cultures all over the world have developed extensive knowledge of the medicinal uses of their plants.

What reference lists this as a good source of DMT?
 
True. Main problem is knowing what els is extracted with the DMT. Overall, I am just trying to obtain more sources for other Aussies. If only MHRB was allowed :cry: .

If this fails its not a problem! I can fall back onto the [unconfirmed] Acacia podalyriaefolia in my area... I am temped to just go ahead and extract! But I need a full I.D. And The Corroboree forums, well, the admin must be dead. Because I am not able to post until let lets me :x .
 
SWIMfriend said:
Also, this stuff is used for its medicinal content of catecholamines--not at all what you're looking for. If it had a high DMT content then there would no doubt have ended up being Asian shamans who used this stuff (cultures all over the world have developed extensive knowledge of the medicinal uses of their plants.

What reference lists this as a good source of DMT?
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Not really for a good source. Its really unknown, I cannot find anyplace that lists how much DMT is contained in the bark. But it WOULD give Anyone that lives in Australia a source to but there own form of bark to extract DMT. Like buying MHRB.
 
Drake
Here is a supplier in oz this is your best bet. Since everything is illegal to import. I would work from the inside as long as you just put them in your garden you will be fine. edit not sure if I should post supplier here so I am pming you it Drake. This supplier is very knowledgeable and will be happy to answer you "research" questions tell then you are a botany student and ask anything you see fit.


Erowid Desmanthus illinoensis (Bundleflower) Vault

Information about Desmanthus illinoensis including basics, effects, dosage, history, legal status, photos, research, media coverage, and links to other resources.
www.erowid.org
Desmanthus illinoensis is not a controlled species in the United States.
This plant is a excellent source almost as strong as mhrb. The seeds do not contain DMT as far as I know may be legal to import. This plant will grow to a useable size in a year or so and will produce seeds every year all you have to do is get a patch started.

To be safe you should order from a company that has botanical ethogens that way you know what you getting and the purpose.(not something tested in china. we all know the chinese are shiping toxic toys to children LEAD)

Maybe there is something to the old saying the gov first takes away the guns.
Then they come back for the plants...........................................

It just blows my frekin mind that A LIVING THING COULD BE ILLEGAL. It really does remind me of hitler everytime I think about it.


M.V.
 
MagikVenom said:

Erowid Desmanthus illinoensis (Bundleflower) Vault

Information about Desmanthus illinoensis including basics, effects, dosage, history, legal status, photos, research, media coverage, and links to other resources.
www.erowid.org
Desmanthus illinoensis is not a controlled species in the United States.


It just blows my frekin mind that A LIVING THING COULD BE ILLEGAL. It really does remind me of hitler everytime I think about it.


M.V.
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Yeah, Desmanthus illinoensis IS illegal to ship into Australia :arrow:

Table 3: List of species requiring further evaluation/assessment. These species are currently prohibited entry because insufficient information is available on their risk status.

.Desmanthus acuminatus .Desmanthus arsenei .Desmanthus brachylobus

.Desmanthus depressus .Desmanthus falcatus .Desmanthus fallax

.Desmanthus fruticosus .Desmanthus glandulosus .Desmanthus illinoensis

.Desmanthus insularis .Desmanthus interior .Desmanthus leptolobus

.Desmanthus leptophyllus .Desmanthus multiglandulosus .Desmanthus obtusus

.Desmanthus painteri .Desmanthus pendunculatus .Desmanthus pringlei

.Desmanthus pumilus .Desmanthus reticulatus .Desmanthus rhombifolius

.Desmanthus tatuhyensis .Desmanthus velutinus
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The reason Australia is so hell bent on not letting many plants/animals in, is due to, risk of an "invasive species" :roll: . If only it was like EU, I could even import exotic species of ants into Australia!

I hate the Import conditions Database. You think they would have a super easy system with a search, that when you put in the search what you want it will just say if its legal or not! See, some species like Datura inoxia are allowed in HERBAL form. Once you move into seeds, the data base states "The plant/seed has been assessed as a weed and entry is prohibited by legislation". I was thinking of a loop hole, that if the seeds was powdered up and sent in a type of HERBAL form, then there is a chance I think. But I won't confirm this!

And if a species is not listed at ALL? It must be allowed right? Wrong....

if a species is not listed in the 'Commodity' section it means that a formal weed/disease risk assessment has not been conducted by Plant Biosecurity Australia. Mimosa hostilis is not listed as permitted and will require an assessment.


However, if the bark of this species is required it can be imported via an import permit and will have to go for mandatory treatment on arrival, gamma irradiation is the most likely, there will be a cost for the permit and for the treatment.
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That was in the Email I got back, when I was looking into how to find out whats legal. So you see? Rather complex. I think no one that's not really from Australia should get in crap on these forums for suggesting to import illegal plants and such. 90% chance they would not know its illegal.

But don't be afraid to suggest anyway! I have just looked into a good many species of interest now. And 75% of the time I know what is legal, with a number of the DMT containing plants. I am sure there are loop hole to make it legal! I am just not clued in with this type of stuff, that lady in the email sure was not going to tell me :roll: .
 
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