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Nathanial.Dread
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Both Cebil and Yopo seeds include a lot of fats and alkaloids, in addition to 5-HO-DMT, 5-Meo-DMT and N,N-DMT. Toasting the seeds causes a lot of those alkaloids to vaporize off, leaving you with just 5-HO-DMT (which has a very high vaporizing point).
The only real problem with it is that if your seeds contain N,N-DMT or 5-Meo-DMT, those two will be destroyed in the process.
If you're doing an extraction, it's really a matter of personal preference, although I generally toast mine.
Blessings
~ND
The only real problem with it is that if your seeds contain N,N-DMT or 5-Meo-DMT, those two will be destroyed in the process.
If you're doing an extraction, it's really a matter of personal preference, although I generally toast mine.
Blessings
~ND
Nathanial.Dread
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I've tried a few, although with the varying potency of seeds, it's hard to tell what's a bad batch of seeds and what's a bad tek.
The IPA Extraction on the wiki is a good one. I've gotten pretty nice results substituting IPA with 100% acetone.
wiki.dmt-nexus.me
Generally, after the extraction-proper is over, I will redissolve the 5-HO-DMT in more acetone and make some changa by infusing some B. Caapi leaf with it.
I've never gotten anything like a DMT breakthrough, but it can be a wonderful thing to take on a walk in the woods. It's also a great meditation aid, in my experience.
69ron has a good citric acid tek I've been meaning to try, although I can't find it, for the life of me.
Blessings
~ND
The IPA Extraction on the wiki is a good one. I've gotten pretty nice results substituting IPA with 100% acetone.
Bufotenine IPA Extraction and Bufojam Changa Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki
Generally, after the extraction-proper is over, I will redissolve the 5-HO-DMT in more acetone and make some changa by infusing some B. Caapi leaf with it.
I've never gotten anything like a DMT breakthrough, but it can be a wonderful thing to take on a walk in the woods. It's also a great meditation aid, in my experience.
69ron has a good citric acid tek I've been meaning to try, although I can't find it, for the life of me.
Blessings
~ND
When I made that iso tek, it was only because other bufotenine teks at the time seemed really hit or miss, or involved boiling limonene etc..The goo/resin from the iso tek is def potent but if you want to vaporize and not smoke it might be tough.
The no smell tek just sucked for me..I tried to get it to work and I dunno, it just does not work past the fumarate stage. I would not suggest anyone to follow that tek start to finish. Go as far as the fumarate crystal precipitation..you will get nice amber needle point crystals. Then take the crystals and mix with sodium carbonate and make a wet paste..dry and pull with iso.
The freebasing part of the no smell tek is the part that never worked for me. I just lost my yield of nice amber crystals every time.
On toasting..my original understanding was that the seeds are toasted to remove some of the toxins as they vaporize off of the seeds, leaving the bufotenine behind..this is what others told me but I am not sure it's true. Most tribes from my understanding do toast the seeds traditionally. Some tribes even ferment the seeds a bit, which could be converting the alkaloids. I don't know of any westerners experimenting with fermentation.
The no smell tek just sucked for me..I tried to get it to work and I dunno, it just does not work past the fumarate stage. I would not suggest anyone to follow that tek start to finish. Go as far as the fumarate crystal precipitation..you will get nice amber needle point crystals. Then take the crystals and mix with sodium carbonate and make a wet paste..dry and pull with iso.
The freebasing part of the no smell tek is the part that never worked for me. I just lost my yield of nice amber crystals every time.
On toasting..my original understanding was that the seeds are toasted to remove some of the toxins as they vaporize off of the seeds, leaving the bufotenine behind..this is what others told me but I am not sure it's true. Most tribes from my understanding do toast the seeds traditionally. Some tribes even ferment the seeds a bit, which could be converting the alkaloids. I don't know of any westerners experimenting with fermentation.
"I've never gotten anything like a DMT breakthrough, but it can be a wonderful thing to take on a walk in the woods. It's also a great meditation aid, in my experience"
You need to smoke more. You wont be walking anywhere on a full dose of bufotenine, the constriction will be too unpleasant and the nausea will keep you still. The hallucinations at a full dose will replace reality 100%, but keep the mind intact. It really lacks the psychological healing aspect of DMT for me(and the mental warping that cause fear etc), but bufotenine is the most visual of the tryptamines. It is hard for me to even call it a psychedelic in the classical sense..It is def tryptamine visuals..but mentally it does not do much psychedelic stuff to me. It is more of just a hallucinogen. Even at the really large OBE shamanic type doses I never experience ego death, nor does my ego fight like it is hanging on. It really does not challenge the ego IME.
You really have to smoke it past the point of pain. The pain, constriction and nausea come first, and so many people stop..you have to smoke through it. Take a good hit every minute or two..once you see the strobing grids start to form and take over your visual field than lay down. From there it deepens and you peak for about 15 minutes.
I think the amazonians actually take up to 10 grams of the seeds at a time sometimes. That's a pretty heavy dose. They have these spatula like things they stick into the throat to force a pure before they take the snuff..and I totally understand why lol..having anything in the gut when you take bufotenine sucks.
You need to smoke more. You wont be walking anywhere on a full dose of bufotenine, the constriction will be too unpleasant and the nausea will keep you still. The hallucinations at a full dose will replace reality 100%, but keep the mind intact. It really lacks the psychological healing aspect of DMT for me(and the mental warping that cause fear etc), but bufotenine is the most visual of the tryptamines. It is hard for me to even call it a psychedelic in the classical sense..It is def tryptamine visuals..but mentally it does not do much psychedelic stuff to me. It is more of just a hallucinogen. Even at the really large OBE shamanic type doses I never experience ego death, nor does my ego fight like it is hanging on. It really does not challenge the ego IME.
You really have to smoke it past the point of pain. The pain, constriction and nausea come first, and so many people stop..you have to smoke through it. Take a good hit every minute or two..once you see the strobing grids start to form and take over your visual field than lay down. From there it deepens and you peak for about 15 minutes.
I think the amazonians actually take up to 10 grams of the seeds at a time sometimes. That's a pretty heavy dose. They have these spatula like things they stick into the throat to force a pure before they take the snuff..and I totally understand why lol..having anything in the gut when you take bufotenine sucks.
rahlii
Rising Star
Pretty sure this is the 69ron citus acid bufo tek -
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This is the easiest one I know. It requires no A/B extractions, so there are no emulsions to deal with. The extraction is based on Vilca (Anadenanthera colubrina) and doesn’t work well for real Yopo (Anadenanthera peregrina). Keep in mind that most Yopo currently available on the market is in fact Vilca. Vilca contains mostly bufotenine and little else. Yopo contains mostly DMT and may contain a little 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenine. They are very different. This tech excludes DMT from the extraction so using it with real Yopo is not desirable.
Acetone Citrate Bufotenine Precipitation Tech
* Coarsely grind 100 grams of Vilca seeds.
* Add 1 part pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) and mix in enough water to make it wet. NOTE: sodium carbonate works as a substitute for lime in all steps of this extraction tech.
* Mix for about 10 minutes and let it dry completely. There must not be any water present at all before going to the next step.
* Dissolve the mix in 500 ml of dry acetone. Filter out the solids. Repeat with more acetone until the acetone is nearly clear.
* Evaporate the acetone down to about 100 ml.
* Add 10% citric acid solution to the acetone until no more precipitation is seen. It will take about 30 ml of 10% citric acid solution for 100 grams of seeds. NOTE: to make the citric acid solution, dissolve 10 grams of citric acid in 100 ml of dry acetone. I will take a while for the citric acid to dissolve in the acetone, so prepare this solution several hours ahead of time.
* Carefully pour out the acetone leaving behind the precipitates. Discard the acetone.
* Dry the precipitates completely leaving crude bufotenine citrate and other junk. Bufotenine citrate is a goo and not very active. You don’t want it in this form.
* Slowly mix in lime until the goo becomes a dry powder. Then add water to make the mix wet and mix for about 10 minutes and let the mix dry completely. There must not be any water present at all before going to the next step.
* Grind the mix to a powder. Dissolve in 100 ml acetone and filter out the solids. Repeat with more acetone until the acetone is nearly clear.
* Evaporate the collected acetone to get nearly pure freebase bufotenine.
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This is the easiest one I know. It requires no A/B extractions, so there are no emulsions to deal with. The extraction is based on Vilca (Anadenanthera colubrina) and doesn’t work well for real Yopo (Anadenanthera peregrina). Keep in mind that most Yopo currently available on the market is in fact Vilca. Vilca contains mostly bufotenine and little else. Yopo contains mostly DMT and may contain a little 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenine. They are very different. This tech excludes DMT from the extraction so using it with real Yopo is not desirable.
Acetone Citrate Bufotenine Precipitation Tech
* Coarsely grind 100 grams of Vilca seeds.
* Add 1 part pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) and mix in enough water to make it wet. NOTE: sodium carbonate works as a substitute for lime in all steps of this extraction tech.
* Mix for about 10 minutes and let it dry completely. There must not be any water present at all before going to the next step.
* Dissolve the mix in 500 ml of dry acetone. Filter out the solids. Repeat with more acetone until the acetone is nearly clear.
* Evaporate the acetone down to about 100 ml.
* Add 10% citric acid solution to the acetone until no more precipitation is seen. It will take about 30 ml of 10% citric acid solution for 100 grams of seeds. NOTE: to make the citric acid solution, dissolve 10 grams of citric acid in 100 ml of dry acetone. I will take a while for the citric acid to dissolve in the acetone, so prepare this solution several hours ahead of time.
* Carefully pour out the acetone leaving behind the precipitates. Discard the acetone.
* Dry the precipitates completely leaving crude bufotenine citrate and other junk. Bufotenine citrate is a goo and not very active. You don’t want it in this form.
* Slowly mix in lime until the goo becomes a dry powder. Then add water to make the mix wet and mix for about 10 minutes and let the mix dry completely. There must not be any water present at all before going to the next step.
* Grind the mix to a powder. Dissolve in 100 ml acetone and filter out the solids. Repeat with more acetone until the acetone is nearly clear.
* Evaporate the collected acetone to get nearly pure freebase bufotenine.
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