Tolerance? Or ever have it just stop working?

[The Traveler]

Good list Doerak. About 3 grams of rue for aya or other amounts, with 1,5 gram the journey takes about 2 hours, with 3 grams about 4 hours, etc... I like mine to be a little shorter as normal.

 

[spiritualexplorer]

The Traveler and Doerak, Thank you so much for the excellent information! I am anxious to put it to good use. CoyoteMRain... maybe you should try this method. Blessed Be

 

[CoyoteMRain]

chakra - i participate in the ayahuasca.com forums on a very regular basis and have thoroughly researched my brewing methods...

 

[CoyoteMRain]

yeah i have a bunch of Turkish syrian rue and some good shredded mimosa -- might think about making a brew like that some day soon

 

[Doerak]

[quote:8feebb90ca="The Traveler"]Good list Doerak. About 3 grams of rue for aya or other amounts, with 1,5 gram the journey takes about 2 hours, with 3 grams about 4 hours, etc... I like mine to be a little shorter as normal.[/quote:8feebb90ca] That's interesting... Didn't know about that I'll try 1.5 grams next time as well.

 

[The Traveler]

[quote:9890d472dc="Doerak"][quote:9890d472dc="The Traveler"]Good list Doerak. About 3 grams of rue for aya or other amounts, with 1,5 gram the journey takes about 2 hours, with 3 grams about 4 hours, etc... I like mine to be a little shorter as normal.[/quote:9890d472dc] That's interesting... Didn't know about that I'll try 1.5 grams next time as well.[/quote:9890d472dc] Oh well, you know, the the first time I used aya... I took tea made with 6 grams of grinded rue and took it unfiltered so with all the seeds still in it andd about 200ml. Man, it made me really sick, couldn't drink the Mimosa DMTea anymore because I was feeling so sick and after about 45 minutes I puked the hell out of me, the seeds grinding my throat in the process and I couldn't standup normal anymore either. :roll: So I began taking less and less rue. At the moment 1.5g but I want to try 1g as well and see how long that will last. The Scientist in me is alive to say so...

 

[Chakra Vajra]

Strange to read here about Rue as Ayahuasca, because this are two different Plants. Of Course both act as MAO-Inhibitor, but still both are very different. I like Freebase DMT a Lot, but from the beginning i felt that Ayahuasca is the better or wiser Way to Explore.

 

[Chakra Vajra]

[quote:6f50555629="CoyoteMRain"]chakra - i participate in the ayahuasca.com forums on a very regular basis and have thoroughly researched my brewing methods... [/quote:6f50555629] I was just wondering, because i never heard that Aya didn´t work for someone. Of course a Brew can fail sometimes, one of the Reason is often the Brewing Technic or just weak Material, so i was wondering, but it sounds you have done enough research. BTW can recommend Ayahuasca.com for everyone interested, a Lot of good Information.

 

[cilosyb]

I had DMT stop working almost altogether for about 6 months for me. I couldn't even hold the hits in sometimes...as soon as I would smoke it I would just realize that nothing was going to happen anyway. It worked great for months when I first started using it and then I went into an emotional decline because of a failed relationship and I'd get no effects at all. It's not meant to be used when we are under stress I believe. It works great for me now. I believe that there is also a threshold of usefullness from DMT. Shortly before it stopped working I kept being pushed, if you will, towards Ayahuasca instead. It was a long time before I drank Ayahuasca but it was definately the way to go.

 

[CoyoteMRain]

technically a mimosa rue brew is NOT called ayahuasca, it is called anahuasca

 

[CoyoteMRain]

cilosyb-- so she is not the only one, huh? \ so you think it is a brain chemistry thing due to emotional state? not something to do with lungs getting cloudy or something? or a tolerance developing? i mean, my friend has been smoking about an average of a gram a week since march...

 

[The Traveler]

Indeed is my form off aya not the 'real one'. I'm not sure if there is btw, I can imagine every shaman has its own brew or maybe even different brews for different circumstances. I hope someday to have a favorite brew, but then again it might be the one I'm using right now.

 

[Garulfo]

[quote:e2678a9436]i mean, my friend has been smoking about an average of a gram a week since march...[/quote:e2678a9436] Everyday ?? I would rather see it as a kind of tolerance with such amounts. Edit: [i:e2678a9436]From Rick Strassman book, there are a very powerfull chemical tools in the pineal gland that are designed to 'wash' the DMT as fast as possible. Filling the brain with too much DMT in a short period may increase the releasing of that chemicals (enzymes ? I forget the name) in higher amounts each time she smoke.[/i:e2678a9436] What I wrote above is wrong :? The pineal has indeed strong barriers to NOT release DMT when stressed. However if the human body is designed to avoid releasing too much endogenous DMT, it is not far to imagine a process that could build up a tolerance. Like with many substances, it is not only the amount but also the regularity of the intakes which build the tolerance. I would guess that some time without DMT is needed to recover a 'normal' chemical balance. Just an hypothesis of course...

 

[CoyoteMRain]

iiii dunno ... anything i have read says that the "tolerance" has no reason to last any longer than an hour and sometimes she will take a couple days off in between and it doesnt' seem to help

 

[DMTripper]

I think this is just DMT telling you to give it a rest.

 

[CoyoteMRain]

ha! never!

 

[cilosyb]

[quote:ba4eef1e3a="DMTripper"]I think this is just DMT telling you to give it a rest.[/quote:ba4eef1e3a] I would agree actually. It has it's own agenda and IMO your stars gotta be lined up for it to work. If you push on you (or she) will probably have a bad DMT trip and those are NOT fun. It's like a foul, disgusting spiritual ass-kicking. Listen to it.

 

[Noman]

[quote:0bc6447318="cilosyb"]If you push on you (or she) will probably have a bad DMT trip and those are NOT fun. It's like a foul, disgusting spiritual ass-kicking. Listen to it.[/quote:0bc6447318] I've had a few of those. A mild one Saturday night - spicing my bowls of weed after a show. Nothing heavy, just pleasant eleven dimensional kaleidoscopic fireworks and that blissed out thrumming. Thats enough. Just one more. Okay now stop. Ah, I'll have another. THATS IT! The suns coming up. The birds are singing it'd be cool.... Blam. The whole universe disappeared and was replaced by an altered freakish one where I most definitely did not belong. Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit I've changed it all forever! Damn! What am I gonna do? I can't exist here. What if when I open my eyes nothings there anymore? Shit, I gotta look. But what if it's all gone? It could be all gone! I know it'll be all gone! Shit I really did it this time! And I opened my eyes and everything was made of velvet and lit from within and rotating without moving but it was here and an immense wave of relief and love for the world where I fit rushed over me. I told you to leave me alone. Something said it to me but not in words, not with an ego. That is a small taste of how much further I can take you than you want to go. I went to bed.

 

[free spirit]

[quote:c7d51d81f4="DMTripper"]I think this is just DMT telling you to give it a rest.[/quote:c7d51d81f4] id third (or is it fourth now) that response of backing off. i was your friend. (or you) i smoked like a rediculous amount pretty much daily.. and got to the point i couldnt break through at the end of it. dmt tolerance occurs two ways. one is time related, like the dose you take 20 mins later often isnt gonna be as intense as the first one. (altho lately ive been dispelling this truth pretty regularly at my house) the other aspect is desensitivisation to hyperspace. to become desensitized to the divine is a lousy state to be in. for me i had to break off doing it soo frequently and break off it completely for a few months. i dont dose more than 2-4 times a month, but i get soo much further now. altho the spice is trying to tell me i need to do it more often...