Took Rue and MHRB last night: Help me figure out what happened please!

[3rdI]

again people are making definite statements even though behindthelight has pointed out his findings.

2. Even though they say you can do shrooms every 4-5 days, I find this to be 100% false. There have been a couple time of the past year where I did 7 grams of shrooms every Saturday for about 5 Saturdays in a row and each one was not as good as the previous ones. So then I did a test, I took 3 weeks off and then did 7 grams again and it was incredible. So for me, 4-5 days is NOT enough to totally get rid of the tolerance, maybe for other it works, not for me though.

Just because it works for 1 person doesnt mean it will work for everyone.

next time why dont you try eating 9 g of shrooms with 8 grams of rue, fuck man, just eat the rue in globs, dont bother making tea swallow as much as you can powdered and your shrooms, cant wait to hear about that :twisted:

please be respectfull in your advice on dosing sacrament

 

[Jungleheart]

Took 3g rue and 3g mimosa this weekend and it was more than enough. I can't even imagine 8g!

 

[behindthelight]

@ behindthelight

i stopped reading after "my shrooms are good shit" and "cracker dry"

.... id like to use this oppurtunity to remind you that p cubensis whether grown by you or not are still an entheogenic sacrament, not a thugish narcotic. respect them with the language you use, please.

secondly. cracker dry shrooms ( i assume a dehydrator was used, and overused at that) do not contain psilocin any longer, just psiolcybin (i may have switched those) when totally dry the psilocin breaks down rendering the potency less. i assume that different strains and approaches to growing yield different ratios of psilocin to psilocybin and wouldnt be surprised that somewhere sometime someone grew some potent fresh shrooms (full of psilocin) but when they were dried they became inert.

i recommend airdying your mushrooms to a point they wont culture molds but not totally anhydrous (this method utilized room temperature instead of 155 degrees f, which after prolonged exposure WILL break psilocin down)

again i may be misinformed as to which breaks down, psilocin or psilocybin but from my reading and experience growing and picking wild, fresh mushrooms have a totally different feel to them and come on much faster


next time why dont you try eating 9 g of shrooms with 8 grams of rue, fuck man, just eat the rue in globs, dont bother making tea swallow as much as you can powdered and your shrooms, cant wait to hear about that :twisted:

first of all, don't assume thing about me by just reading my post...I respect shrooms and all of these other plants we use immensely...it's just that someone was questioning the quality of my stuff...so I chose to let them know that they "are good".

secondly, the drying shrooms with a heater thing and messing them up is a myth....I don't dry them at 155 because it dries them way to fast and I don't like the way they feel when you get done with them...but I did dry them at 110 degrees for about 24 hours and they come out perfect.....

 

[behindthelight]

tolerance to p cubensis is 4-5 days no matter the dosage

you can do them every week on sunday and always have 0 tolerance (that is to say you havent been doing drugs that contain cross tolerance effects)

sorry man...definitely not true...I don't know what else to tell you....

 

[behindthelight]

again people are making definite statements even though behindthelight has pointed out his findings.

2. Even though they say you can do shrooms every 4-5 days, I find this to be 100% false. There have been a couple time of the past year where I did 7 grams of shrooms every Saturday for about 5 Saturdays in a row and each one was not as good as the previous ones. So then I did a test, I took 3 weeks off and then did 7 grams again and it was incredible. So for me, 4-5 days is NOT enough to totally get rid of the tolerance, maybe for other it works, not for me though.

Just because it works for 1 person doesnt mean it will work for everyone.

next time why dont you try eating 9 g of shrooms with 8 grams of rue, fuck man, just eat the rue in globs, dont bother making tea swallow as much as you can powdered and your shrooms, cant wait to hear about that :twisted:

please be respectfull in your advice on dosing sacrament

thanks man for reading my posts and understanding what I am trying to say...

 

[jamie]

tolerance to p cubensis is 4-5 days no matter the dosage

you can do them every week on sunday and always have 0 tolerance (that is to say you havent been doing drugs that contain cross tolerance effects)

sorry man...definitely not true...I don't know what else to tell you....

It has been true for me for years and for everyone else I have met and taken mushrooms with..it very well may not be true for you though..but you would be a rare minority..

 

[behindthelight]

It has been true for me for years and for everyone else I have met and taken mushrooms with..it very well may not be true for you though..but you would be a rare minority..

Yeah, like I said in my earlier post, it is true for me. I researched this on some other big mushroom forums and I had a lot of people saying the same as me. Some guys were saying that for them it is a minimum of 3-4 weeks before they feel 100% again.

So I think it is different for everyone.

I just felt like "mew" is/was giving me a hard time because he didn't believe that I take higher doses of shrooms and rue than most people. Why would I make it up??????

 

[behindthelight]

That being the case, I recommend that you do the following: make a cup or less of syrian rue tea from 4 grams, not 8, because you may become nauseous and vomit again from the rue alone. Also prepare gelatin from 5 grams of mhrb. Drink the syrian on an empty stomach. Forty-five minutes to any our later, consume the gelatin. T+45 min. the trip should start coming on, and then you'll be golden for the next five hours or so. If this does not work, I will be flabbergasted. Good luck.

I am going to do this for sure. I will report back my findings.

 

[Infinite I]

Black tea is loaded with tannins, yet it never produces nausea in people.

Causes my friend to vomit profusely! Complex issue indeed!

 

[nen888]

behindthelight asked:

1. If I didn't take the mhrb, would I still have tripped like that just on the rue?

2. Did I throw up from the rue? or from the mhrb?

3. I don't think I could ever drink the mhrb again by itself. Can I brew the 2 together? Can I get rid of that sediment? or is the sediment important?

4. I keep hearing about "tannins" and that you can take them out with an egg white. What are tannins and why are they bad?

..IMO..
1) most people would have had some sedation, light sensitivity, dreamy headspace..
2) i think it was the rue in conjunction with all amines in your system (incl. mhrb)..in all my experience with such experiments, 8 grams of rue (efficiently boiled) would cause the majority to have some nausea or purge..even with extracted dmt..it's usually the addition of the tryptamine which leads to purging (less common with rue on it's own)
3) brewing together may work better..the sediment is better to leave out..completely indigestible..more likely to cause stomach distress than tannins
4) most tannins are not 'bad'..in fact those in Tea are now considered 'good' anti-oxidants..some individuals' stomach's may be sensitive to them, but i think generally their removal is unnecessary and over-suggested..
.
..suggest 3.5-5.0 grams rue in future..

 

[kaos.underwave]

behindthelight, I'm curious... was there anything different from usual about the Shroom exp. in terms of set or setting? Are you taking any other medications?

I find Rue tea makes me very nauseous for ~1.5 hrs, but then it disappears. Like you with the MHRB, I'm not sure I ever want to taste Rue tea again. There must be a purer solution for both of us...its crystal clear in my mind

 

[behindthelight]

behindthelight, I'm curious... was there anything different from usual about the Shroom exp. in terms of set or setting? Are you taking any other medications?

I find Rue tea makes me very nauseous for ~1.5 hrs, but then it disappears. Like you with the MHRB, I'm not sure I ever want to taste Rue tea again. There must be a purer solution for both of us...its crystal clear in my mind

No, everything was the same. There is no doubt in my mind that it was a combination of the weekend before shroom trip and the night before rue/mhrb cross tolerance that caused the shroom trip to be weaker than it should have been. I know some on here don't want to believe me. But I have tested this multiple times in the past and for ME, doing the same batch of shrooms in consecutive weeks is not as strong as if you were to take a few weeks off.

Well, that is really strange. It goes back right to what we are talking about that people have different reactions to things. I actually don't think the rue tea is that horrible, don't get me wrong, I don't look forward to drinking it, but it is definitely doable. Now the mhrb tea on the other hand....wow...just the thought of that makes me want to puke.

If you go back thru this entire thread, one of the guys suggested that I use gelatin for my mhrb. I think that is really smart. So I am gonna make my rue tea and then make my mhrb tea and reduce them both down to a small amount. Then make a 1/2 or 1/4 box of jello and pour the mhrb tea in the jello and then put it in the fridge to set. Then later that night, drink the rue tea and then about 45 minutes later, swallow the jello.

 

[behindthelight]

..IMO..
1) most people would have had some sedation, light sensitivity, dreamy headspace..
2) i think it was the rue in conjunction with all amines in your system (incl. mhrb)..in all my experience with such experiments, 8 grams of rue (efficiently boiled) would cause the majority to have some nausea or purge..even with extracted dmt..it's usually the addition of the tryptamine which leads to purging (less common with rue on it's own)
3) brewing together may work better..the sediment is better to leave out..completely indigestible..more likely to cause stomach distress than tannins
4) most tannins are not 'bad'..in fact those in Tea are now considered 'good' anti-oxidants..some individuals' stomach's may be sensitive to them, but i think generally their removal is unnecessary and over-suggested..
.
..suggest 3.5-5.0 grams rue in future..

Thanks for the help man.

 

[behindthelight]

Just an update for the people that didn't believe me about the rue/shroom tolerance thing....mostly "mew"

So, I did 10 grams of shrooms tonight, from the EXACT same batch that I did 2 weeks ago the night after the rue and it was a m a z i n g..............seriously the best trip I have ever had...eVeR....

I can't even explain how incredible it was.....

So, once again I will say it....you don't have to believe me if you don't want to.....but, when it comes to shrooms..........doing the rue the day before the shrooms ABSOLUTELY 100% has an effect on the shroom trip......in a bad way.

 

[jamie]

^for you that maybe is true. But it is also true that for like 95% of people the opposite is true.

 

[behindthelight]

^for you that maybe is true. But it is also true that for like 95% of people the opposite is true.

jaime, I challenge you to do some rue and mhrb and then the next night take some shrooms......then a week later, just take the same amount of shrooms and then tell me that it wasn't better......

 

[jamie]

ive done it many times, and taken harmalas, DMT and mushrooms at the same time as well..always makes the mushrooms stronger for me and my gf.

There is no tolerance issues found in reguards to ayahuasca or analogues. Both harmalas and DMT seem to often have reverse tolerance. You would be the minority here. What you apparently experience is not normal..building a tryptamine cross tolerance from taking harmalas the day before is something I have never even heard of anywhere else but in this thread.

Just like how most people do NOT have tolerance with mushrooms lasting more than a few days. This should be evident based on my poll thread so far..you seem to be outside the norm in general when it comes to both psilocybin tolerance and developing a psilocybin tolerance from taking harmalas. Why is it so hard to accept that what are saying is just not true for most people?

 

[Ringworm]

my findings are the same as jamie's

 

[behindthelight]

ive done it many times, and taken harmalas, DMT and mushrooms at the same time as well..always makes the mushrooms stronger for me and my gf.

There is no tolerance issues found in reguards to ayahuasca or analogues. Both harmalas and DMT seem to often have reverse tolerance. You would be the minority here. What you apparently experience is not normal..building a tryptamine cross tolerance from taking harmalas the day before is something I have never even heard of anywhere else but in this thread.

Just like how most people do NOT have tolerance with mushrooms lasting more than a few days. This should be evident based on my poll thread so far..you seem to be outside the norm in general when it comes to both psilocybin tolerance and developing a psilocybin tolerance from taking harmalas. Why is it so hard to accept that what are saying is just not true for most people?

alright...cool

 

[behindthelight]

Jaime, I wasn't trying to start an argument or anything. I respect you a lot, I know you are one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum. I just found it very strange that I was the only one that had this issue.