Transcendent Living and Power

[jonyshin]

I think it is an unspoken agreement among anyone who has made an acquaintance with the spice that we live incredibly powerful lives. I personally have had experience after experience that show an incredible powerful way of life I am capable of leading since my experiences. Even 3 months after a few non-breakthrough experiences, I never go a day without thinking about, or being reminded of my experiences. I believe that there is a level of transcendence within the DMT experience, that is the answer to any question, and never fails, which often resurfaces itself in my subconscious. After DMT, and proper integration, one can live with ultimate transcendence as a perfect human being, with the ability to be so great that others do not even recognize that man as great, yet simply assume they themselves are poor.
After having learned of the great power DMT has allowed me, I like to ask the question: Does anybody know, or feel comfortable, speaking of great powerful people(besides artists, for whom drug use is not taboo) that are involved in DMT? I am certain that this compound is capable of launching any spiritual warrior into history as a legend, and I would like to hear the stories that I feel are almost certain to exist(I myself in my short time have already created stories that are too good to be true to many people).

 

[Global]

From my perspective, a large portion of "transcendence" within the DMT experience is the transcendence of the ego. Obsessing over how powerful and great you are is your ego standing in your way of transcendence.

 

[jonyshin]

Very, very true. I guess this means I still have not achieved full transcendence. Do you feel that once you achieve transcendence, you no longer value egotistical material in any form? I personally would like to enjoy the trappings of this world before I die. I guess what I'm asking here is: Is transcendence the ultimate goal?

 

[VIII]

I agree that we live incredibly powerful lives.

I am on somewhat the same page as Global that it may be the loss of ego, if you agree that is what you are discussing.
What incredible way of life had DMT shown you? What is a perfect human being?

In regards to it creating a "perfect" human being, I half-heartedly believe that DMT allows us unspeakably powerful communication with our subconscious. Wwhether the subconscious is shared as some extradimensional hive mind of all sorts of creatures I don't know. Back to the point, I value self-awareness and as such I would say that the ability to have this level of communication and reflect on it is vital to a greater awareness. But what do I know? I don't know jack about the subconscious mind and I doubt DMT is a necessary component in either a "perfect" or "good" human.

I don't believe anyone can tell the ultimate goal, that is for you to decide.

 

[Global]

Very, very true. I guess this means I still have not achieved full transcendence. Do you feel that once you achieve transcendence, you no longer value egotistical material in any form? I personally would like to enjoy the trappings of this world before I die. I guess what I'm asking here is: Is transcendence the ultimate goal?

I believe that the ego must be temporarily transcended so one can integrate the transcendental with the ego and establish a balance between the two. In my opinion balance is the ultimate goal.

 

[Xaarov]

balance is the ultimate goal.

:thumb_up:

 

[scudge]

wouldn't the loss of ego (atleast as we understand it) just be another form of ego?

 

[anrchy]

Ya i think its more of a loss of your current ego and transcendence into another, less egotistical one. Your views are less centered on the you, with more of a feeling of you being part of the whole.

Without you there is no whole, and with out the whole there is no you.

I think it is an unspoken agreement among anyone who has made an acquaintance with the spice that we live incredibly powerful lives.

Actually for me, its that everyone on this planet lives incredibly powerful lives. Regardless of the situation. I don't really agree with your use of the word "power" in your post. It's sounds as if your referring to people with power being better, and those that do not as less than.

After DMT, and proper integration, one can live with ultimate transcendence as a perfect human being, with the ability to be so great that others do not even recognize that man as great, yet simply assume they themselves are poor.

I'm curious as to what you think defines someone as being a perfect human being. Thinking that people view themselves as poor in comparison to someone who is great is a pretty self centered view on things. What makes someone great is viewing people as equals, no matter what situation they are in. Thinking in a way that does not put you on a pedestal above anyone else.

I'm glad you have received the correct tools to help you see life as it really is, sounds like you are on the right track, just need to make a few adjustments.

Happy Travels!

 

[Whatisreal]

Well i think the OP would probably agree he's not implying he or "we're" better than anyone else.

Anyone else ever feel a little scared that they did "transcend" into hyperspace or out of normal life? for good...

ha

 

[Korey]

Very, very true. I guess this means I still have not achieved full transcendence. Do you feel that once you achieve transcendence, you no longer value egotistical material in any form? I personally would like to enjoy the trappings of this world before I die. I guess what I'm asking here is: Is transcendence the ultimate goal?

The human animal wouldn't be productive if there were not an ego there to drive him. We can see this in both humans and chimpanzees. There's nothing wrong with enlightenment or self transcendence, but permanent enlightenment/transcendence is in my opinion, not possible due the ego's persisting resurfacing. You can live a life with a more gentle and softened ego, and think of other before thinking of self, but nonetheless your ego will always be there. It's what makes us human, so I guess the answer to your last question is maybe, the ultimate goal could be transcendence and perhaps we'll all achieve this in death.

 

[No Knowing]

I feel like the ego can never be fully and permanently transcended(until bodily death). But, it can be transformed into forms that are more beneficial to others and the whole. Making the ego a servant and not a master is my current goal.

Also, at times I thought I had "killed" or transcended my ego completely. Only to find it had only been re-crystallized into new, usually more harmful and self-serving forms. I no longer try to "kill" my ego but only transcend it and allow it to transform into better assemblages.

I came to realize that those who believe they have no ego, actually have the BIGGEST ego of all.

 

[bradlacky]

suposidly the only way to kill the ego is through sexual magic.

 

[holdingspace]

My mind cannot view itself viewing itself; you must “be all” rather than "transcend all” in my opinion, but my opinion should mean nothing to you because it means nothing to me.

 

[Guyomech]

If you want a picture of what no ego looks like, imagine a dark room filled with chanting robed monks. They sit and chant for 8 hours, all chanting the exact same thing. The more experienced ones, the ones with the best skills, will spend much of this time in a virtually ego-free state. But the minute the chanting stops, the ego starts to reassert itself. In the case of a monk this may be a very gentle reassertion, but it's still part of the landscape.

The ego is a tool that we use for interacting with others. I agree completely, though, with sentiments about making it the servant, not the master. When the ego has too much control, that's when you end up broke with clothes and cars you can't afford, because the impression you make on strangers becomes too important.

Arrogance, in my opinion, is not related to ego, but rather to insecurity. An arrogant person is speaking from his fears but trying to sound like they are in power. It's an illusion I no longer fall for when I can help it.

Now, as far as my own ego goes, and my relationship with the world: that's a tough one. I'm an artist- specifically, a psychedelic artist- and I make my living this way. That means I need to get my art put there, make a name for myself, be recognized... Because that's how an artist builds value in their work. So in some ways it's like working on promoting your "brand" or what have you. At the same time, this can be in conflict with the notion of suppressing the ego.

Recently I spoke with Alex Grey about this. He is one of the most humble and genuine people you'll ever meet, but he has such a big mystique built up around him that it would be easy to imagine him being egotistical. Recently somebody kissed his feet at an event, which made him distinctly uncomfortable. But a certain amount of this is inherent in becoming successful to that extent.

I think the bottom line is to keep your intentions in the right place. For me, I want my art to move people. Any material success that may come from this is a pleasant side effect, not the prime motivation, for my efforts.

 

[eprec]

Okay, what my soul is doing is reading out loud so you can find me in hyperspace.



I can give you spiritual energy that has more to do with energy essentially harvested from a spiritual black hole if you find me in hyperspace and read me like a book without judgement.

This will provide immense revelation and you will be eternally connected with the source of all of this love, which i myself have only found blind. Without the help of DMT.


Hyperspace traveler can find the source through me.

 

[Enoon]

I find the idea of transcendence being the ultimate goal a bit strange... what happens when you reach it - if hypothetically you could? You stagnate / stay the same? this seems to me to be in direct contradiction to what I believe is the foundation of the universe we live in: change. The only permanence is change itself. I see life as a continuous process of transcending myself, progressing or changing. Hopefully for the better.

I try not to make distinctions between ego and non-ego. I find these names and concepts more harmful than useful for my own path. It's like cutting yourself into pieces and calling some "good" and others "bad" and then trying to kill or eliminate them... it just seems like unnecessary war upon yourself to me.

 

[cellux]

I find the idea of transcendence being the ultimate goal a bit strange... what happens when you reach it - if hypothetically you could? You stagnate / stay the same?

Transcendence doesn't mean we become frozen... For me, transcendence is a connection with the ground of being, which is the final, indestructible base of existence (also called the absolute). Standing on this base is so fulfilling that we don't need to hold up the neurotic constructs any more. We can finally allow the world (= the totality of phenomenon) to be what it is. Transcendence brings freedom and the ability to act with elegance according to the real needs of the moment. It enables us to let go of paranoia and live without fear.

Edit: It's important to note that transcendence is not some elevated state of being from which we can fall again. Transcendence means reaching the baseline, to become normal again. Transcendence is our originally intended, "natural" state of consciousness, from which we "fell" into the prison of separation. Transcendence is not the result of some deed, but a discovery of the way things really are.

 

[Fondoo]

nice stuff guys. would like to reply fully but must go to work. for anyone wanting to learn more about ego/transcendence from an eastern perspective dharmaseed.org is a great source.

I often listen to monk talks just because there happy voices and wise words just give me a boost.
Namaste

 

[Guyomech]

Transcendence is not a fixed point- Enoon is right about that. Quite the contrary- its about becoming unfrozen. Every little thing you overcome is a moment of transxebdence, and I'd be surprised if there could be any such thing as an ultimate, total transcendence- perhaps momentarily, if at all. Every day we will have things to transcend. Chop wood, carry water.