Trichocereus Peruvianus and Peruvian Torch are two different species.

[kemist]

Parrot found pictures of Trichocereus peruvianus and picture of Peruvian Torch and he has to say those are different. Can anybody commment on this. Which one is more potent?
Peruvian Torch

Trichocereus Peruvianus

They look different, especially spines

 

[antichode]

Swim thought that Peruvian Torch was just a nick name given to Peruvianus, much like San Pedro is the nick name for a Pachanoi.... They are one in the same no?

That first picture you posted looks like a cuzcoensis

 

[kemist]

ILPT thought the same , but apparently not. According to Coatl `Cuzco` shouldn`t be much active at all, but parrot heard about vendor carying quiet nice cuzco chips. Could that be just simply missidentifying of species? Who knows. :?:

 

[soulfood]

I think it depends on the Cuzco. Any trichocereus peruvianus that I have seen in local garden centres have been very cuzcoesque and like many reported, probably aren't all that potent. But looking at the species known by some as KK242, I'd say that is also a cuzcoensis and also oftenly mistaken for a peruvianus, but some people report it to be quite rich in alkaloids.

 

[kemist]

But looking at the species known by some as KK242, I'd say that is also a cuzcoensis and also oftenly mistaken for a peruvianus, but some people report it to be quite rich in alkaloids.

Trichocerus peruvianus on bottom picture was labeled as KK242!
The top one as peruvian torch. It`s called like that because it`s golden spines resembling lit torch. Spines on KK242 doesn`t resembling lit torch but still it is t. peruvianus

 

[Ginkgo]

Great... Even more confusing information about these cacti. I really think we need to get some research done, there are far too many myths surrounding San Pedro and especially Peruvian Torch. I have no idea what to believe anymore.

 

[bufoman]

They are considered different species by most, however there is GREAT overlap in phenotypes. There are short spined torch and long spined pac. They seem to be of about equal potency some studies have found slightly higher concentrations in pac. There is a myth that torch is way more potent but this is just speculation no science supports it.

Some people think they are a single species with many different phenotypes much work in genotyping will be required to sort this out.

 

['Coatl]

"Peruvian Torch" is the common name for Trichocereus peruvianus.

It's not anymore complicated than that.

 

[soulfood]

But looking at the species known by some as KK242, I'd say that is also a cuzcoensis and also oftenly mistaken for a peruvianus, but some people report it to be quite rich in alkaloids.

Trichocerus peruvianus on bottom picture was labeled as KK242!
The top one as peruvian torch. It`s called like that because it`s golden spines resembling lit torch. Spines on KK242 doesn`t resembling lit torch but still it is t. peruvianus

I'm still pretty new to the whole cactus thing, but something I've picked up on early on is to be very skeptical of any Karel Knize ID labels.

http://www.sacredcactus.com/peruvian_torch21.htm

 

[69ron]

[quote='Coatl]"Peruvian Torch" is the common name for Trichocereus peruvianus.

It's not anymore complicated than that.
[/quote]

Agreed.

Just because some author decides to misuse the name, doesn't mean we should also be confused. "Peruvian Torch" means "Trichocereus peruvianus". If anyone uses it to mean anything else, they are misusing the name.

 

['Coatl]

Unless it's a flaming torch being held by a Peruvian man, that is also a "Peruvian Torch"