try to breakthrough first time or not?

[TreadLightly]

hello all, I just finished my first extraction(about a gram from 100g mhrb) it went pretty well, spilled a little solvent.my girlfriend and I are both very excited to try it however we're unsure if we want to try to breakthrough our first time or take a smaller dose to test the waters, so to speak.

my main reason for wanting to try a breakthrough the first-time is I want to be hit by the full force of it, I mean I enjoy jumping into things directly.

but I thought it may be prudent to ask a large community of experienced users their thoughts, so nexus, what do you think? is it better to jump right in our try out a smaller dose first?

 

[anrchy]

Well when you say should you go for a breakthrough dose your first time it causes me to ask...

What size dose are you talking about?

Are you talking about a forced breakthrough or a dose size that "could" give you a breakthrough?

And what device will you be using to vaporize your DMT?

Congrats on the successful extraction I wish you and your gf luck with an amazing beginning. I personally think its best to get acquainted first. Start low. If your using a proper device like the GVG or the sandwich in a bong I would say start with 15-20mg. If done properly you should get a nice experience that won't blow your socks off but will still leave you in awe. If you were looking for a possible breakthrough I would say 20-25 mg would be best to start. I do not recommend anything over 30 mg for your first dose. A 30 CAN be a forced breakthrough with perfect vaporization.

If you start low you can get to know her better. I did it this way and stayed with low doses until I learned how to breakthrough. It took me quite awhile though but if you became impatient you can always up the dose. Either way I don't recommend ever taking 40+ ever. If you do that's your choice. Definitely never do that your first time.

 

[TreadLightly]

we're using a machine made out of a cognac bottle and some steel wool, I'd seen 50mg suggested before but from you that sounds like far too much.

I really hadn't considered the difference between forced and unforced, thanks for bringing that up, It gives me something else to think about.

 

[3rdI]

my main reason for wanting to try a breakthrough the first-time is I want to be hit by the full force of it

You don't mate, you really don't.

I would follow anrchy's advice, its pretty sound.

 

[nwosidsalp]

my main reason for wanting to try a breakthrough the first-time is I want to be hit by the full force of it

You don't mate, you really don't.

I would follow anrchy's advice, its pretty sound.

What both of these guys said, you'll blow your mind plenty enough for your satisfaction with 20-25mg for the first go. Also, you may need time to get your technique down, and will likely end up wasting 50mg hits if you load them

 

[TreadLightly]

thanks everyone for your replies, low dose sounds good, especially as I'm pretty sensitive to psychedelics in general.

I'd just like to clarify, and I mean no disrespect I'm not interested in blowing my mind specifically, I thoroughly expect to but it isn't my major concern,I was more concerned with wasting the novelty.though it doesn't sound like that's terribly likely.

thank you all, and I'd still be very interested in any advice and reasons people have for either direction.

 

[fermentman]

I would echo the advice given, and recommend starting low. I rarely go for breakthrough, as small amounts can realign me with the perspective shift that DMT has to offer.

Not only will it blow your mind, it will blow your mind in the way it blows your mind....

 

[The Electric Hippy]

I would start with 10-15mg personally. If you have a gram of spice, you have all the time in the world to get there. Don't rush it. Throwing yourself into hyperspace the first time is not something you're gonna be ready for. Dose low.

 

[anrchy]

If you want a good gauge on what a large dose is like you can read my experience report in the "DMT experiences" section. It's the one that says "I thought I fried my brain" in the title. Hehe

While looking back at it that experience was beyond awesome, while it was happening I wasn't having so much fun. I definitely would not refer to it as a bad trip. There was no negativity present. It was just... Too much.

Ya if you end up having a hard time breaking through, uping the dose to a bigger one usually does the trick. My first breakthrough actually happened while taking a second small dose to help ease the anxiety before taking a forced breakthrough dose. I never made it to the larger dose. I broke through on accident on 15mg. It took me about 8 months to achieve this. Some people breakthrough early on some not till after awhile.

And ya 50mg would be a bad idea for your first one. If you were successful in vaping it correctly you might not enjoy it at all. If I had taken that big of a dose my first time I probably would have never done DMT again.

 

[TreadLightly]

one of the few trip reports I've read actually, it reminded me of something very dumb I did the day before I joined this site.I tried some random synthetic cannabis from a gas station.because I had heard a few stories about powerful hallucinogenic experiences from it, so i tried it and I got this strange pulsing jerking sensation in my head and it was getting faster and faster and the hum of the computer monitor was getting louder and louder until it filed up my consciousness,I began to forget about the world around me,I started to think hey maybe this is what a dent breakthrough is like and as my mind eyes and ears pulsed an electrical euphoria did too and as things got faster,I don't know if you're familiar with many worlds theory, but I began to move through a different consciousness of myself each in a different dimension, as I slowly morphed closer and closer along this interconnecting line through an infinitely fractalized multiverse and merged and melded with everything until it had spotted so fast that I reached the center, I was no longer a being, for a single 1 dimensional point Iwas at the source and end of everything time lost meaning,I want to say I was their for a millisecond or an eternity but to that being neither really applied.and I existed in extreme bliss and sadness and every emotion art once.I was seeing through the Copenhagen interpretation where every possibility happened at once, then it was gone and I was lost in the multitude of realities reliving my life as the pulses slowed down and I clawed my way back towards myself and tried to remember everything that had happened and I began to notice feelings very real feelings and eventually opened my eyes, won't bore you with all the details of reconnecting to my body and this reality, but by the end it was about 15 minutes total before I could function and another 30 before I stopped pulsing.my point was just that I too became a supreme divine being and desperately clawed my way back...the after effects and pulsing felt toxic and painful,I was hoping fight could give me similar but more varied and cleaner experiences.(I tried the synthetic thing again but not as much and got the same thing but less far down the line was just painful and boring).

p.s.I would like to point out I don't take drugs lightly I don't even take medicine without knowing the full effect and making certain its beneficial and even then almost never I'd rather have my body take care of itself,I only do mind expanding drugs after much thought and with great intent, I don't even smoke weed and have only done hallucinogens several times, so I felt rather embarrasse and stupid to have just gotten some random thing I didn't even know what the active compound was and do it on the spurof the moment.I'm very glad I did, it was amazing but I still should've thought more, taken precautions, I don't think I'll ever do that again even though it was such an interesting thing, it felt very toxic....sorry got side tracked with a long story

 

[march]

I've started with 40 mgs.I'm not experienced as people above but I can say, you won't feel any toxicity as long as you don't burn it.And it's really hard to compare dmt to anything else for me,especially to synthetic cannabinoid crap.If there will be problem for your first time,it will be psychological,not physical.

 

[TreadLightly]

we ended up trying it today, followed your advice neither of us broke through but we both were very happy with the experience and felt it was the right way to go. so thank you all

it was a very gentle liquid experience, unlike that nasty toxic substance, which put a lot of my fears to rest