Ultrasonic cleaner aided extraction

[steppa]

'sup ladies and non-ladies?

Inspired by 1ce and his e-liquid thread I'll now try the A/B route supported by a pretty cheap ultrasonic cleaning device.

I thought I might as well make thread and let you know about the results.

The thing I've bought off ebay is a GT Sonic ultrasonic cleaner for about 55€ ( a bit over 60$). It has a capacity of 2l which can not be fully utilised.

I don't know how much bark (MHRB shredded) will go in there. Something between 50g and 100g, I guess. We'll see.

If my experience will equal that of 1ce, this will be the fastest DMT extraction I ever made.

I plan to leave the bark in the acidified ultrasonic bath for about 20min, then strain, basify and pull a few minutes later. Hoping stuff works out as announced.

I'll start in a few hours and will come back with pics later and hopefully results tomorrow.

Have a good time!

 

[sbc1]

Can't wait to see how you get on, good luck mate

 

[Orbiting]

Good luck, an interesting concept

My only question is what materials will your liquid be touching

Metals compatable with eliquid most likely not compatable with super-basic lye soup

I possess some ultrasonic devices as well however the only way I could use them for this application would be
Too glue or cement the transducer too a glass flask or something

 

[benzyme]

I know the answer to this, but I'll let 1ce answer it.

most sonic baths are equipped with stainless steel reservoirs, so acidifying, then removing the acidic phase is what is done.
note: a bath should have a power distribution of at least 5W/cm^2 to be somewhat effective.

 

[Jees]

Hard to predict the effectiveness from here, but seeing the power/volume ratio it makes me doubt.

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[1ce]

Good luck, an interesting concept

My only question is what materials will your liquid be touching

Metals compatable with eliquid most likely not compatable with super-basic lye soup

I possess some ultrasonic devices as well however the only way I could use them for this application would be
Too glue or cement the transducer too a glass flask or something

Why so? You extract dmt first, then dissolve it in propylene glycol, then add vegetable glycerin to finish your e-liquid. Sonicating mhrb/acrb in vinegar works fine, then you can strain it and decant it elsewhere for freebasing your alcs. You could also put it in a mason jar, and put in the sonicator. Also most are stainless steel.

I've been too busy lately to try this with bark yet; Keep us posted steppa :thumb_up:

 

[steppa]

So far so good. I'm done with the extraction. All in all it took about one hour till I had two pulls in the freezer.

80g of shredded bark fitted in the device comfortably.

I gave it 20 minutes at about 55°C in the ultrasonic water bath. Changed the water/vinegar and gave it another 10 minutes.

What I really like about that device is, that can be used as a warm/hot water bath with temperature control also (without turning on the ultrasonic thing).

I didn't take pics as they wouldn't have been too intersting. If you want to see anything specific, just ask. I'd take pics then.

Tomorrow morning we'll know about yields. I'm doing a freeze percip. I'm not convinced yet as the naphta didn't came out milky. But maybe I used too much.

 

[sbc1]

Did you put the bark straight into the cleaner or in a jar first mate

 

[steppa]

Straight into the cleaner. It's stainless steel.

 

[sbc1]

Cheers mate, hows your cannabis ejuice

 

[steppa]

Good mornig,

...so...that was yesterday:

I'm not convinced yet as the naphta didn't came out milky.

Things look different today. Opening the freezer this morning I was greeted by nice fluffy spice.

I was a bit hasty and took out the dish immediately, only to realize, while pouring off the naphta, that the precipitation wasn't completely done yet. There still were clouds swirling arround. So I saved the naphta in another dish an will evap it down later the day, to get the rest out.

Yield so far 560mg from 80g of bark. Doesn't sound good, I know. But this batch of bark seems particularly weak. Even with freeze/thaw (x4) and three acid boils I barely got over the 1% mark.

So, keeping in mind that there is still spice in the naphta and at least 2 more pulls to be done, my guess is that things went down as efficient as they could. I will update the numbers. I praise the ultrasonic cleaner.

 

[sbc1]

Well done steppa

 

[Jees]

...Yield so far 560mg from 80g of bark. Doesn't sound good, I know. But this batch of bark seems particularly weak. Even with freeze/thaw (x4) and three acid boils I barely got over the 1% mark...

Happens to the recent bark here too, until pulling with toluene then another 1% (give or take) of oils gets out. Very active oil though, just a little messy compared.

 

[Silly(c)One]

Thanks for the experience !
As I have exhausted most my DMT (in changa) and am discovering e-cigs (for cannabis oil, quitting tobacco and testing a new ROA for DMT/harmaline), I'll get myself an ultrasonic cleaner and will test this as well, but with my usual stock of mimosa from which I could extract up to 1.8% back then with Norman's Tek. Except this time I'll be using Cyb's Salt Tek together with the ultrasonic cleaner (or maybe 100g with Cyb's Salt Tek and 100g with Cyb's Salt Tek + ultrasonic cleaner).

 

[steppa]

Ok cool. I'm interested in your results!

I just want to point out that there is no ultrasonic necessary to make a fine ejuice with DMT.

 

[1ce]

awesome writup steppa!

@Silly

US cleaner is umbeatable for ejuice since it takes weeks to let the flavors homogenize on their own. And disruptor style tools are $500+

 

[steppa]

Yields now at about 720mg after 3rd pull.

 

[Silly(c)One]

@Silly
US cleaner is unbeatable for ejuice since it takes weeks to let the flavors homogenize on their own. And disruptor style tools are $500+

So US steeping really works ? There's a load of controversy on the subject amongst the vapers, apparently... (at least amongst the newbies, which are obviously not amateur chemists like us here at the Nexus )
It would be lovely coz I can't even imagine waiting 2 weeks to steep my own juice. (and I can't afford non DIY juice, it costs me 7x more than tobacco per month...)

I saw the model you're using on e-bay, which size would you get for DMT extraction ? 2L, 3L, 6L ?

 

[1ce]

@Silly
US cleaner is unbeatable for ejuice since it takes weeks to let the flavors homogenize on their own. And disruptor style tools are $500+

So US steeping really works ? There's a load of controversy on the subject amongst the vapers, apparently... (at least amongst the newbies, which are obviously not amateur chemists like us here at the Nexus )
It would be lovely coz I can't even imagine waiting 2 weeks to steep my own juice. (and I can't afford non DIY juice, it costs me 7x more than tobacco per month...)

I saw the model you're using on e-bay, which size would you get for DMT extraction ? 2L, 3L, 6L ?

I've got a larger nicer one for cleaning equipment. The one I use for ejuices/extractions is a 2L, but actually only holds 1 liter of liquid.

I've also got a kinematica polytron rotostator w/ disposable aggregates, a branson s75 disruptor (ultrasonic, but on its last leg), and arriving soon a fischersci 550 w/ 3 ultrasonic horns. These units should be able to steep an ejuice in under 1 minute.

As far as the US cleaner, it does the job, albeit slower. But still much, much faster than steeping for weeks, and 50-70$ for a unit that can flavor your ejuice in a couple hours is a nobrainer.

Store bought ejuices are quite expensive, but there's a large community out there that have dialed down a lot of good ejuice clones and have written valuable feedback about secific flavors/vendors.

As far as to wether the US cleaner has any merit, it certainly does. I just made a banana juice. 12% flavoring, 1.5mg/ml nicotine. At first it tasted very chemically. Harsh and disgusting. 2hr in US cleaner it taste like banana laffy taffy.

If you have a drip tank you can easilly test out your samples every 30 minutes amd taste the difference in the flavor as it progressively changes.

There are better tools available that'll do the job, but for the average person the US cleaner excells in price/versatility.

Edit: I used to spend 100$ a week on stupid ejuice bottles but after going the diy route I spend about a dollar.

 

[Silly(c)One]

Ok, I'm convinced and just ordered the one attached below.
It's a 3L, 120W US power, 100W heating power, with a 99 minutes timer.

I should have it next week. It should be big enough to steep my juices (I can't wait 2-3 weeks before testing my recipes, and it costs me 30€ per week of juice - I used to smoke for less than 10€/month of tobacco in my joints, no way vaping should cost me more than smoking !!!), as well as making my own THC juice and experimenting with extractions (DMT).

Can't wait to test it, thank you very much for all the great info.

In the vaping community, there's a lot of ego fighting about US steeping, but at least here, if a fellow hyperspace traveller/chemist tells me it works, then I believe it

I must admit I'm having a lot of fun creating my own juices recipes, as always, I have peculiar tastes, and there are only a handful of commercial juices that I like, so DIY ejuice is clearly the way to go for me. It's a logical step, I've been growing my own cannabis for 25 years, my own mushrooms, extract DMT/harmalas, grow my tomatoes, it's absurd to not do my own juice. I like to be the master of my own experiences.

Is it useful to ultrasonically steep my DMT juice ? Or better to ultrasonically steep some flavours, then just add DMT in a hot bath without ultrasounds ?