(un)clearly infused honey

[NeitherHere]

Hello everyone.
I've got some dried fruits I need to make "disappear" quickly without destroying them.
I know I could do alcohol or water tincture but I have to avoid alcohol right now and I don't trust water tincture to not spoil on a shelf long term.

So I'm considering infusing organic honey with the following procedure in working up. If you know if alternative options if how I can make a moderate volume of dried fruits into something less "plain view" id really appreciate the insight. I need something totally inconspicuous.

My proposed procedure

1)Take my fruits and simmer them in a small volume of water with a few drops of lemon juice.

2)Strain and repeat step 1.

3) strain step 2 and combine solid free volumes reducing down as much as possible on low heat.

4) remaining volume of fruit tea to warm honey in a mason jar stirring it with a silicone spreader to diffuse the tea into the honey.

5) put the jar somewhere warm for a prolonged periods of time to help evaporate the liquid further.

Step 4-5 may be modified so that the tea is placed on top of the honey and put into a dehydrator to expedite the reduction of water while leaving as much actives ontop of the honey as possible to be stirred in.

Again this is a total experiment. I searched around and all I was finding was solid infused honey. I need totally inconspicuous translucent honey.

I'm hoping someone chimes in with a more vetted option here. I'd hate to waste all this material on a failed experiment but I need to make these fruits disappear quickly.

 

[doubledog]

I never infused honey with shrooms, but regularly store dried powdered mushrooms in capsules, inside a tube originally for some capsuled probiotics.
I would suspect your proposed method to not work well.

 

[Transform]

Whole or (preferably) powdered mushrooms can simply be stirred into warm honey. Choose a dark-coloured honey for greater stealth. Works a treat, no need to mess around with tea.

 

[NeitherHere]

Whole or (preferably) powdered mushrooms can simply be stirred into warm honey. Choose a dark-coloured honey for greater stealth. Works a treat, no need to mess around with tea.

I've tried powdering it with a mortar and pestle but the chitin is a bit resistant to being milled. I'm going to see if I can't throw it in the dehydrator a little longer and throw it in the blender or something.

 

[Transform]

I've tried powdering it with a mortar and pestle but the chitin is a bit resistant to being milled. I'm going to see if I can't throw it in the dehydrator a little longer and throw it in the blender or something.

A cheap coffee mill (blade type) should make short work of it, especially if they're dry enough.

 

[dithyramb]

Whole or (preferably) powdered mushrooms can simply be stirred into warm honey. Choose a dark-coloured honey for greater stealth. Works a treat, no need to mess around with tea.

I have minimal experience with mushroom (liberty cap) honey. It seemed to be strong, perhaps stronger than the same amount of mushrooms without honey. I have a suspicion that honey potentiates mushrooms and perhaps not just mushrooms, but many or even all psychedelics. I couldn't find information on this. Perhaps Transform or others here have insight into this? I have been so enchanted by honey recently. It appears to be a legitimate medium to soak up and enhance all kinds of foods and medicines.

 

[Transform]

I have minimal experience with mushroom (liberty cap) honey. It seemed to be strong, perhaps stronger than the same amount of mushrooms without honey. I have a suspicion that honey potentiates mushrooms and perhaps not just mushrooms, but many or even all psychedelics. I couldn't find information on this. Perhaps Transform or others here have insight into this? I have been so enchanted by honey recently. It appears to be a legitimate medium to soak up and enhance all kinds of foods and medicines.

This enhancement, while I never specificially noticed it on the occasions when I've had mushroom honey, it does rather make sense now that you mention it. It's reminiscent of how mannitol increases the bioavailability of psilocybin (iirc - otherwise, off the top of my head, it might be mannose and/or BBB penetration). Sugars typically move into the bloodstream rather rapidly, and with their hygroscopic nature they'll tend to pull water around with them. Maybe this means that zwitterionic psilocybin will hitch a ride with the sugar/water transport system.

There's a fair bit of background reading one could get into with this idea. I'd suggest checking up on the herbology and phytotherapeutics literature around the use of honey in formulations, and I'm sure the mannitol thing cropped up on here a couple or so years ago, like here:

Very strong mushroom tea for weak stomach

Hi all! First post here, I'd like to share with you all my favorite shrooms tea recipe. Before the discovery of DMT, mushrooms were by far my favorite allies. In the 10 years that I have used them most often I have developed this recipe for my preferred method of administration, which allows a...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Does this putative mannitol-psiloc(yb)in complex serve to protect the active molecule from enzymatically mediated destruction during its journey to the brain? Find out in next weeks thrilling installment of, er, I mean, further research is required.

 

[NeitherHere]

Im probably still going to go through with this project and load the infused honey into 10-15ml syringes to be used in conjunction with lemon juice in a tea blend. In had myself an interesting experience last night with ~.4g and a 3-4 hour soak in orange juice with additional vitamin c and it had me feeling the edge of hyperspace. It hit me closer to what 2.5-3.0 would have. Very interesting situation for sure.

Whats better is my current cluster attack appears to be significantly suppressed. I had a small amount of pain earlier but it was much better than where the attack started


I may be doing some write ups on cluster headache/migraine disorders and my experiments treating them with these substances soon just not sure where I should out them yet. I really wish we had a journal on our personal pages

 

[doubledog]

I have minimal experience with mushroom (liberty cap) honey. It seemed to be strong, perhaps stronger than the same amount of mushrooms without honey. I have a suspicion that honey potentiates mushrooms and perhaps not just mushrooms, but many or even all psychedelics. I couldn't find information on this. Perhaps Transform or others here have insight into this? I have been so enchanted by honey recently. It appears to be a legitimate medium to soak up and enhance all kinds of foods and medicines.

I almost always add honey to a mushroom tea as it seems to helps absorption and slightly potentiates the effects. IIRC there is some mechanism of active transport of simple sugars in the stomach (?), which works even more efficiently when various sugars are present.

 

[Transform]

I really wish we had a journal on our personal pages

Obviously, some people just create a thread for this purpose, but IGWYM. The character limit on personal status comments inhibits their use for journalling a bit, but not entirely. If we have personal galleries for graphics, the step to a set of journal pages is but a small one.

Add your idea to the suggestions subforum!

Funnily enough, I posted about a journalling app very recently:

Journal app for substance use

Here's a handy FOSS android app with some useful *offline* features for keeping track of your substance use, without it tracking you: https://github.com/isaakhanimann/psychonautwiki-journal-android Available through F-Droid and Droidify: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.isaakhanimann.journal/...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

I wonder if this could be integrated into the forum somehow? I haven't tested it since my substance intake is minimal to zero at the moment.

 

[NeitherHere]

Well I got ~20 hours total relief. At the moment the cluster is starting to eake up. Im going to start experimenting with large dosages soon to see if that offers me a longer period of relief .

At least im learning something here

 

[doubledog]

Did you try combination of mushrooms with harmala alkaloids?

 

[dithyramb]

This enhancement, while I never specificially noticed it on the occasions when I've had mushroom honey, it does rather make sense now that you mention it. It's reminiscent of how mannitol increases the bioavailability of psilocybin (iirc - otherwise, off the top of my head, it might be mannose and/or BBB penetration). Sugars typically move into the bloodstream rather rapidly, and with their hygroscopic nature they'll tend to pull water around with them. Maybe this means that zwitterionic psilocybin will hitch a ride with the sugar/water transport system.

There's a fair bit of background reading one could get into with this idea. I'd suggest checking up on the herbology and phytotherapeutics literature around the use of honey in formulations, and I'm sure the mannitol thing cropped up on here a couple or so years ago, like here:

Very strong mushroom tea for weak stomach

Hi all! First post here, I'd like to share with you all my favorite shrooms tea recipe. Before the discovery of DMT, mushrooms were by far my favorite allies. In the 10 years that I have used them most often I have developed this recipe for my preferred method of administration, which allows a...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Does this putative mannitol-psiloc(yb)in complex serve to protect the active molecule from enzymatically mediated destruction during its journey to the brain? Find out in next weeks thrilling installment of, er, I mean, further research is required.

Absolutely fascinating. I am considering adding honey to ruehuasca. We know that caapi is full of sugar, and that it plays a role in it's psychoactive power (a study on this was shared here a while back). I am trying to decide whether adding the honey in the boiling down process or simply mixing in to the concentrated medicine. Boiling may or may not enable a more full alchemization and homogenization of honey, but the destruction of the raw properties also may or may not be a loss. Does anybody have insight into that?

 

[doubledog]

I would add honey only after the boiling, to keep thermally sensitive compound intact.

 

[pantostao]

According to "The Psilocybin Chef Cookbook" by Dr. Mandrake and Haze, they don't recommend storing Blue Honey as there is "a small, but serious risk of botulism when this product is been stored for a long time".

They continue to say: "Blue Honey is probably good for about two weeks if properly refrigerated, as the bacteria responsible for botulism don't like acidic environments, a splash of apple cider vinegar in the jar will help reduce the risks of storing this product"

I personally know people that has made and stored blue honey for quite longer than that without problems, but we all should consider the risks.

 

[NeitherHere]

I would add honey only after the boiling, to keep thermally sensitive compound intact.

Im considering doing a long alcohol soak and aerated dehydration instead of using water and heat. This way i'm avoiding degradation all together and minimizing the added moisture to the end product

According to "The Psilocybin Chef Cookbook" by Dr. Mandrake and Haze, they don't recommend storing Blue Honey as there is "a small, but serious risk of botulism when this product is been stored for a long time".

They continue to say: "Blue Honey is probably good for about two weeks if properly refrigerated, as the bacteria responsible for botulism don't like acidic environments, a splash of apple cider vinegar in the jar will help reduce the risks of storing this product"

I personally know people that has made and stored blue honey for quite longer than that without problems, but we all should consider the risks.

Thank you for sharing, i'll be looking into this. I might look into other means of expedient and less conspicuous dosing. On the topic actually, now i'm curious if I could make this concept into a "hard candy" by dehydrating the honey. Will report back on what happens when honey is thrown into a dehydrator

It appears as though botulinum is a known contaminant commonly found in honey, especially raw honey but apparently it needs low oxygen and moisture to thrive. I can cap a syringe to prevent additional moisture but that doesn't solve the low aeration issue and allowing aeration allows fermentation I don't want .My thinking is that by dehydrating we remove the moisture, increase the oxygen and still keep that expediency of being able to drop a pre weighed dose into a glass of tea. With desiccants in the storage vessel of course.

Tenacity will prevail, the question is how long until i find a result i'm happy with

It may take time and i'm not opposed to alternatives. Maybe i'll look into home made gummies next

 

[Transform]

According to "The Psilocybin Chef Cookbook" by Dr. Mandrake and Haze, they don't recommend storing Blue Honey as there is "a small, but serious risk of botulism when this product is been stored for a long time".

They continue to say: "Blue Honey is probably good for about two weeks if properly refrigerated, as the bacteria responsible for botulism don't like acidic environments, a splash of apple cider vinegar in the jar will help reduce the risks of storing this product"

I personally know people that has made and stored blue honey for quite longer than that without problems, but we all should consider the risks.

I would strongly suspect that this is more of a risk in honeys with a higher moisture content; all the same, botulism isn't something to be trifled with - wild-gathered fungi may well increase the likelihood of introducing C. botulinum endospores. On the other hand, I've known a good few people who've used honey to preserve mushrooms for far longer than a couple of weeks and none of them came down with botulism. High impact, low probability event?

In balance, I'd suggest avoiding the runniest honeys for this. Are there any other safety measures than can be applied? Dip the shrooms in alcohol, perhaps? Cultivated ones would appear to be less of an issue.

Honey - Wikipedia

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Comparing the relative rates of botulism in the UK and the USA, I can see why you Transpondians might be a little more wary, and why nobody on my side of the Atlantic ever worried about having preserved shrooms in honey, even if the carpophores were collected in close proximity to sheep dung.

 

[NeitherHere]

I would strongly suspect that this is more of a risk in honeys with a higher moisture content; all the same, botulism isn't something to be trifled with - wild-gathered fungi may well increase the likelihood of introducing C. botulinum endospores. On the other hand, I've known a good few people who've used honey to preserve mushrooms for far longer than a couple of weeks and none of them came down with botulism. High impact, low probability event?

In balance, I'd suggest avoiding the runniest honeys for this. Are there any other safety measures than can be applied? Dip the shrooms in alcohol, perhaps? Cultivated ones would appear to be less of an issue.

Honey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Comparing the relative rates of botulism in the UK and the USA, I can see why you Transpondians might be a little more wary, and why nobody on my side of the Atlantic ever worried about having preserved shrooms in honey, even if the carpophores were collected in close proximity to sheep dung.

Im not exactly worried to be honest but I am interested in reducing any potential for harm. I'm probably going to be doing a lot of experimenting on the topic. If I get sick ill let the masses know. But my goal is simple; produce inconspicuous and reliable doses that are field expedient for use against my neurological conditions. Having ADHD, once i sink my teeth into something I become quite like a rabid dog eho refuses to let go until i'm satisfied. My wife can't stand it its either I can't focus on something OR i have to be beaten with a stick to let go

That all being said I do plan on experimenting with the suggestions and warnings everyone is offering. There's simply no sense in taking known risks if it can be avoided. The honey i'm using is rather viscous.

Im planning on;
Testing how honey responds to long dehydration cycles

Experimenting with infused honey hard candy/taffy

Evaporated alcohol tincture infused honey

As well as stuff like infused lemon juice which tends to store well long term in refrigerated conditions

 

[NeitherHere]

This might be another option that would fit my needs, figured i'd share the recipe with the class

How To Make Psilocybin Gummy Candy

The hottest new psychedelic trend, we explore how to make psilocybin gummy candy, the sweet magic mushroom treat!

www.wholecelium.com

 

[pantostao]

Since you're trying to find new ways to prepare your fruits, take a look at the book I mentioned before (The Psilocybin Chef Cookbook by Virginia Haze & K. Mandrake), it has lots of recipes for foods and drinks infused with shrooms. You'll probably find something useful.