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Leto

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Hello Everyone!

first post, after reading and looking around but finding little info on this question,
here are a few thoughts/questions SWIM would really appreciate some feedback on,

Can anyone describe the effects of a DMT underdose?
or put another way,
would a 10mg dose of DMT feel like a different drug?
SWIM is aware you may need 50mg+ to breakthough,
however after testing a smaller dose SWIM was surprised by how much 10mg (using the machine)
may have felt slightly sinister for a min or so, and reminded SWIM of smoking Salvia.
which was something SWIM did not find friendly or enjoy!!!

also is it recommended to keep SWIM's eyes closed during the experience?
rather than watch the living room warp and twisting!?!

thanks for reading this and please post any info you think may be relevant,
greatly appreciated!
 
underdoses are usuals a bit nastier than a full blown breakthrough...and yes..it does feel like a completely different drug...at a high dose..nothing compares...except for powerful pharma or ayahuasca
 
Lower doses leave alot of space for wondering if it is right , what's happening to you. Especially if you're new. Take enough and all you'll wonder about is how to ever close your mouth again.

Oh, and it's nothing like Salvia.
 
Thanks so much for your feedback,
SWIM was worried that there may be something up with that DMT,
but at small amounts, (0.01g)
it's reassuring to hear that it has very different effects.

wondering if not doing quite enough to breakthrough would result in being stuck in weird twisted salvia
halfway land for 10 mins.
does that happen? or is it just the really low dose that feels like that?
again your input is greatly appreciated,
 
It's the low dose. It can be strange for some people, because it's somewhere inbetween. My friend from peru also started really low. Even under 10mg. The first thing he felt was a slight bodyload, then came the phase of slight closed eye visuals and faint telepathic entity contact...did not feel really good. Then the open eye visuals....holy dmt elf BEAUTIFUL! From this moment on, there was no room to worry.

My friend from peru has made quite some progress since the old days. He's experienced love in its truest form with the spice. THEY told him that they're willing to help, that they want him to feel good...

Salvia is pretty neutral and can leave on well...empty and confused. It's still pretty fascinating stuff. But with the spice, there is so much love if you pay respect.
 
I always find if I'm shooting high and accidently aim low, then I have a dysphoric experience, but if I intentionally consume a small dose I feel the complete opposite. All euphoria. Sometimes I have a tiny dose when I'm in a depressed mood but don't why. Works a treat.
 
wow that's pretty interesting!
SWIM thinks this dysphoric experience of yours is what SWIM was getting at,..
SWIM would like to share..

SWIM has tried 2 low doses, from different yields,
the 1st 0.01g dose was from a mix of the 2,3+4th yields which looks amber/white.
initially it felt like a more friendly hit from salvia,and after closing SWIMs eyes,
felt disconnected from SWIMs body, saw a faint vision of a sphere like structure, it was aztec like,
also reminiscent of pyramids and desert landscapes. lost world stuff!


the next day on 0.01g dose from the 1st yield, which was a darker orangeish pull,
SWIM felt a mild paralysis and couldn't do much than think //urgh..
and watch the room twisting into jelly world.

this was the experience that made SWIM join the Nexus and ask for advice!

there's sooo much info on all this, it's kinda overwhelming,
still it's really fantastic to have people to talk to about this to,
it's very reassuring.
thanks!
 

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Hello again,
SWIM went somewhere this evening,
one long deep go on the machine,
Held it in for a while then breathed out through his nose whilst taking another hit.
SWIM probably only got started on the 2nd hit before dissolving into a million pieces.

SWIM kept his eyes closed until he returned to normal.. but this is what SWIM saw,

first it felt very black and white, spikey and chaotic
there was a cat/puffin creature dead centre,
it seemed to be amused as it was being twisted and swirled between the extremes of SWIMs emotions.

on the lower left hand side was the abyss of insanity, like a black hole.. SWIM felt if SWIM went that way SWIM would never come back, it was spikey and pretty sinister pulling and grabbing, there was a lot of repetitiveness, overlapping feedback thoughts.. it felt pretty schizo..
SWIM was fairly scared by it,

but on the upper right hand side was love,
love in all its glory, and thankfully love was winning the tug of war, all-thought the puffin/cat would have been happy to go either way, bulging and grinning away like that funny cartoon cat Felix!

the whole scenario was swirling like tentacle flames in and out of each other,

SWIM called out for SWIMs girlfriend who held SWIMs hand and love won, it felt orgasmic throughout SWIMs body, SWIM could see heart shaped repeating patterns warmth pure safety and SWIM started coming out of it.

what a strange place.. it's hard to put it into words,
does that sound like a typical DMT experience ? seemed extremely personal!!!
any advise input would be greatly appreciated
jeepers!!
 
...and love won, it felt orgasmic throughout SWIMs body...what a strange place.. it's hard to put it into words,
does that sound like a typical DMT experience ? seemed extremely personal!!!
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Leto,

You're doing just fine :d

It seemed extremely personal because it was your experience. This is not second hand knowledge -this is your voyage. You are beginning to gravitate towards the source of yourself. You cannot go wrong. There is only one direction- deeper. Take it slow. Integration of the experiences may take some time but there is plenty of that. 8)
 
Hi Transitory
thanks for your response and kind words :)

after reading a lot of trip reports, the expectation was more of a disney like fairytale, like a movie..
people talk about seeing heaven's gates and falling through tunnels of light, ect,

but that experience was almost monochrome / displayed through an etch a sketch controlled by lightning,
inside a bottle in a ferocious storm!

also familiar , been there before , somewhere known, remembers thinking "oh sE$%^ it's T H I S place!!"

still even after all that, not sure if that was what people call a "breakthrough"??

a bigger dose of this would surely blow ones mind, or does it change into something else?
 

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Low dose can be many things I've found..usually a bad taste in the mouth, some visuals perhaps, maybe feeling of wellness. Go deeper. I always start low just to remind myself of what it is - gets rid of any trepidation, tten I'm off to the races.

Mid doses tend to wind you up in the middle realms - gnomes, clowns, fairies and all manner of tricky entitities.

Work your way up because the 50mg doesn't apply to everyone.

Good luck and travels.
 
Hi! and thanks very much for all your responses!

regarding dose on SWIM's 3rd attept..
it was 40mg in the machine,
the plan was to take 3 hits, the first was a long drawn out big hit,
never managed to get through the second, tried but there was no way!
SWIM did breathe the first hit out through SWIM's nose thought,
maybe that's what sent SWIM off - too soon?..
the picture on the previous post is a good enough indication of where SWIM got to.
not spot on or anything but pretty close!
it was very reminiscent of Louis Wain's cat drawings!

I guess SWIM is just wondering if that's as far as it goes?
seems like people may get to realms beyond that?
maybe that appear clearer? landscapes ect.

sorry if SWIM is babbling on,
SWIM is reading a book on this so maybe SWIM will find more answers there.
Still any thoughts/advice will be greatly apreciated! :)

peace!
 
yes a surprising allowance, even though it felt desperately like steering a canoe over the niagra falls!
it was calling out for her hand that secured that decision. love at that moment was so intensely magnified.
but alone? not so sure it would have gone well..


reading some posts has led me to believe that interaction like that is not recommended?
to give in completely...
that's a scary prospect since there was definitely a dark place waiting on the other side.

wow

i have to say that it's very exciting to be on this journey of discovery and have you all to talk to :)
 
Leto said:
but that experience was almost monochrome / displayed through an etch a sketch controlled by lightning,
inside a bottle in a ferocious storm!

also familiar , been there before , somewhere known, remembers thinking "oh sE$%^ it's T H I S place!!"

still even after all that, not sure if that was what people call a "breakthrough"??

a bigger dose of this would surely blow ones mind, or does it change into something else?
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Hello,

You just had an IPOD People experience. At least this is what my friend and I call it. The first time I had one of these it was only the outline that was visible. I was almost like an old flip book cartoon of an alien walking...that's it, American Dad style alien walking, purple outline. My friend and I have had other experiences similar to this, but it seems common enough and happen to enough people to be called a "normal experience".

To me this is pre-breakthrough doses, but just barely. 35-40mgs will sometimes take me ot this type of hyper-landscape.

Breakthrough is a very subjective term though. To me full panoramic 3-d visual kallidescope, entity contacte (sometimes), ego death, and a "what the hell did I just do to myself" internal dialoge usually are what quallify an experience as a breakthrough.

It does sound like you are on the right path though. Remember it is really that first hit that determins how deep you are going to go. The bigger a hit, and the longer you hold it really makes a difference in where you end up.
 
Hi
thanks for your message!
you mean like the old style ipod?
original gameboy with a broked screen!?
there was a definite purple flashy element to it,
and it was a bit cardboard cut out..very animation like.. + writhing tentacles!!
that's pretty much what it was like :) i think i'll draw it the best i can.

being the first time,
I honestly wasn't sure if i'd had a "breakthough"
I remember thinking it wasn't as colorful as i expected,
and experiencing deja vu or thought feedback.

and I remember thinking mostly either no no no or love,love aaah!
my girlfriend said it was only a about 2 minutes before i was talking to her.
i don't think i could put that experience into a timeframe,
i was more out of it than i've ever been, but it seems it was only borderline,
next time i'll hold it in longer, if i dare!

thanks to you all and this forum!
 
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