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My bestie T and I have healed each other on psilocybin for years. We have researched dmt for years and have been excitedly planning. Recently she has been having problems with her daughter. So last night we had it planned perfectly at her home. Did all the rituals including heavy meditation. Her daughter popped up and the energy shifted drastically. She said we can just postpone and do it your spot. I agreed but right before I left I asked if you wanted to try a small hit. She took 3 decent hits and got a body high. No visuals. I did the same and nothing. Driving home I just assumed the product was weak. Got home and took an enormous hit and it knocked my socks off. Moral of the story I learned how powerful the setting is..not that I didn't know before but it truly put in perspective. I have asked the dmt realm for forgiveness.

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I really don't understand why you'd think this was "disrespecting" the molecule tbh. You didn't do anything wreckless and there's all kinds of reasons for a difference in effectiveness/potency at different times/states of mind/ROA

There is people who have smoked it drunk as a skunk at a concert for years and never had a bad experience. Something so powerful obviously deserves respect and careful use but I don't think there's some judgemental entity wishing vengeance on those who don't use it within a specific set of parameters.

The "hyperslap" for example is a metaphor IMO and not so literal. I don't think we give our minds enough credit when it comes to this stuff
 
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premeditated,

Are you 100% sure this is a set and setting issue?

To me it sounds like a dosing issue. It sounds like you and your partner were getting smaller doses (even with more hits) in the first session.

What device/vape were you using? Could there have been unvaped residue of spice waiting to sneak up on you from the early session when you arrived home?

For sure, the strength/power of the molecule and the immense potential call for respect. But I'm not getting a disrespectful vibe from this report. More of a technical error kind of vibe.

Just another factor to consider . . . . DMT never fails to surprise. :love:
 
Pandora said:
premeditated,

Are you 100% sure this is a set and setting issue?

To me it sounds like a dosing issue. It sounds like you and your partner were getting smaller doses (even with more hits) in the first session.

What device/vape were you using? Could there have been unvaped residue of spice waiting to sneak up on you from the early session when you arrived home?

For sure, the strength/power of the molecule and the immense potential call for respect. But I'm not getting a disrespectful vibe from this report. More of a technical error kind of vibe.

Just another factor to consider . . . . DMT never fails to surprise. :love:
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She hadnt seen her daughter in weeks and she came in high and disrespectful causing the vive to shift drastically. So i should have left and let them do their thing. It was the same cart...I hit it hard at her house bc I was thinking it was weak. Usually by the time I blow it out crazy fractals.So when I got home just decided to try again before I discard it and it was crazy stronger.
 
universecannon said:
I really don't understand why you'd think this was "disrespecting" the molecule tbh. You didn't do anything wreckless and there's all kinds of reasons for a difference in effectiveness/potency at different times/states of mind/ROA

There is people who have smoked it drunk as a skunk at a concert for years and never had a bad experience. Something so powerful obviously deserves respect and careful use but I don't think there's some judgemental entity wishing vengeance on those who don't use it within a specific set of parameters.

The "hyperslap" for example is a metaphor IMO and not so literal. I don't think we give our minds enough credit when it comes to this stuff
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universecannon said:
I really don't understand why you'd think this was "disrespecting" the molecule tbh. You didn't do anything wreckless and there's all kinds of reasons for a difference in effectiveness/potency at different times/states of mind/ROA

There is people who have smoked it drunk as a skunk at a concert for years and never had a bad experience. Something so powerful obviously deserves respect and careful use but I don't think there's some judgemental entity wishing vengeance on those who don't use it within a specific set of parameters.

The "hyperslap" for example is a metaphor IMO and not so literal. I don't think we give our minds enough credit when it comes to this stuff
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I feel what you are saying 💯. People doing it for the wrong reasons and while intoxicated imo doesn't equal the energy of my situation. With this crazy fent causing ppl to od..It's a critical time for her to save her daughter. When she came home from being gone, I should have left to let handle the business
 
I bet this is way more random than it might seem. I don’t think DMT is alive and able to think or care about things like disrespect, or that “hyper slaps” etc are a real thing. Your own mind however does care…

I’ve done everything right and gotten nowhere many times…only to be totally blasted later the same day with less.
 
Personally I feel it has to do with shifts in my metabolism.

I believe in psychic phenomena and other wyrd stuff…I think I just tend to attach the true power of these events to our own consciousness. In a case like this I would be more likely to believe that the persons own subconscious mind somehow changed their metabolism of the molecule enough to block the trip…because they knew it was a bad time etc. I have never gotten the impression that I was being blocked by an outside source, as a sort of punishment or safeguard etc. People have vaped DMT while skydiving and it still worked. I think your okay.

Then as I said, I feel this also happens to me randomly at times and I just try again later. It happens to a lot of people either DMT specifically.
 
Jamie01 said:
Personally I feel it has to do with shifts in my metabolism.

I believe in psychic phenomena and other wyrd stuff…I think I just tend to attach the true power of these events to our own consciousness. In a case like this I would be more likely to believe that the persons own subconscious mind somehow changed their metabolism of the molecule enough to block the trip…because they knew it was a bad time etc. I have never gotten the impression that I was being blocked by an outside source, as a sort of punishment or safeguard etc. People have vaped DMT while skydiving and it still worked. I think your okay.

Then as I said, I feel this also happens to me randomly at times and I just try again later. It happens to a lot of people either DMT specifically.
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That makes q lot of sense
 
Voidmatrix said:
Its interesting because people seem to experience the hyperslap and the lockout as external forces preventing entry. Part of rhe mystery that is DMT.

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But any other substance you take will always work no matter what. Strength may vary but it's not like someone smokes meth and doesn't feel anything due to internal or external force. Experience may suck but it's going to work. 😆
 
Voidmatrix said:
Its interesting because people seem to experience the hyperslap and the lockout as external forces preventing entry. Part of rhe mystery that is DMT.

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Some do some of the time. I can see why people think that too, but I think my experience parallels Jamie's where it was pretty clear my subconscious has a big part in it.

For instance one time I was getting close to a deep experience then I had an image of a jester like being that also looked like my friend standing in my way with their arms crossed. It was obviously connected with my state of mind. I don't think entities are masking themselves with my memories like this all the time trying to prevent entry. It seems more like the left brain ego is funneling an incomprehensible experience through its normal filter and trying to make sense of it in whatever way it can.

It's also just so easy to have a wild and variably decoherent DMT trip when smoking large amounts and easy in that state to falsely attribute external blame to things not coming together well due to fear or any of the other many factors.

Also anecdotally it seems possible to kick in an otherwise "resistant" trip. For example I've seen friends feel almost nothing from several hits of a DMT vape, only for it to kick in quite intensely the moment we started eye gazing - a technique that seems to open up mental blocks to a high degree
 
I have experienced it with DMT and ayahuasca, and to a lesser extent psilocybin. With DMT being endogenous though I figure the body might be able to regulate it in ways that differ compared to tryptamines not already present
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I think some of this hang up here may be that the body still has to biosynthesize the DMT in our bodies from INMT and AADC (if I remember right). And so modulation of large amount may be a different sort of organic task. 🤷‍♀️

How much do you feel it was your subconscious and how much do you feel is derived from some other source.
 
I've had that happen on the visual side of Ayahuasca just today. However, it was a strong experience in every other respect. So, for those that have experienced that DMT lockout, did it happen too in the presence of harmalas for both the visual and non-visual effects?

Also, I have had it happened on 2C-B: no visuals whatsoever on 25mg and, as 2C-B is mostly visual, not much of any other effect except for the stimulation (and yes, it was 2C-B, I've dosed in other occasions from the same batch with the expected effects).

In that case it was due to environmental factors triggering a "freeze" reaction, and it's the same that has happened today with Ayahuasca. An extreme stress reaction such as the freeze reaction activates the amygdala and inhibits the activity of the prefrontal cortex. That could be what is inhibiting the visual effects in this case.

Could it be possible that the DMT lockout is due to a strong stress reaction (fight, flight, freeze) as the first effects of DMT appear? Do you feel stress after or during those lockouts, or any sign of it? Or is it not related to any stress at all?
 
I don’t personally really experience a blocking of the psychological effects when it happens..I just don’t blast off into a visual space. I still feel deeper connection…music enhancement and energetic states etc
 
Jamie01 said:
I don’t personally really experience a blocking of the psychological effects when it happens..I just don’t blast off into a visual space. I still feel deeper connection…music enhancement and energetic states etc
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That sounds very similar to what I'm describing, then. Would you consider that it's related to stress-type reactions, in your experience?
 
I’m not sure tbh. I’m a fairly anxious person as it is and get pretty stressed out and certainly that inhibits my ability to fully let go.

Often the first hit is just a small one to deal with the crap in my head and I have to sit there processing energy until I can go deeper otherwise it’s a big panic mess of psychic energy.
 
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