Using cooking oils as nonpolar solvents; suggestions?(LSA)

[jrevenly]

Anyone have experience using any type of cooking oils as nonpolar solvents?
Morning glory seeds are the entheogen of interest; a simple polar/nonpolar.

Main questions:
Are certain cooking oils more or less polar than others?
Is there a certain polarity that would be best for the nonpolar stage?

Random chemist: "Detergent is both polar and non-polar. It breaks the oil up into tiny droplets and forms something called an emulsion. This is how soap works."
There's a lot of talk about soap-like glycosides in the seeds. Although there's a lot of debate on whether cyanogenic glycosides are in the seeds, the soap-like substance that forms from a simple CWE is definitely real. Ideas?

Another random bit of info: Polar Content
"vegetable oil is naturally non-polar in nature, but as the oil degrades through oxidation, polymerisation and hydrolysis the polar content increases"

 

[jamie]

"I don't like the idea of a tek the uses food safe solvents because people are inable to learn how to extract properly, and could end up with a contaminated product using non-food safe solvents in the extraction.

Those people need to learn how to extract, rather than being lazy and paranoid and being afraid of solvents because they refuse to learn the principles of extraction. "

The people who figured out those teks have years of experience doing many other teks. Claiming they just don't know how to extract properly is not accurate. Those teks are based on the exact same priciples as all the other teks, and there are obvious advantages to using food safe teks with non toxic chemicals that you can buy at the grocery store..especially when the end product is just as good as something you might extract with xylene, not to mention that we don't have to suppor the petrochemical industry any more than we already do with something like limonene or sunflower oil.

Have you ever even tried these other teks?

 

[benzyme]

I've had to clean up someone's san pedro (A/B) extraction which used sunflower oil and lime.
It was a mess, to say the least. It would be even more of a mess from morning glory or HBWR seeds, as they contain more complex alkaloids and ergopeptides.

I understand some people just prefer to seek 'nontoxic' alternatives, but it's pretty naive to think that it would work nicely with every alkaloid across the board. Ergoline chemistry isn't as forgiving as DMT and mescaline.

 

[jamie]

just because it was a mess doesn't really mean much to me. You can definatly get clean crystals using sunflower oil as a solvent. You just have to know how to clean it up after..and you can dissolve DMT in alchol after and precipitate with fumarates..at least one person has claimed to do fasa right out of veg oil..

I honestly cant tell the difference, in taste, appearance or effect between sunflower oil DMT, limonene DMT and xylene DMT when the solvent is salted with the same salt. The end result has been the same for me the xylene neither smoked cleaner or looked cleaner.

I don't know anything about ergoline chemistry which is why I wont address that.

 

[benzyme]

yea, that's DMT.
mescaline has three oxygens, it's more polar than DMT, so it's going to interact more with the polar ends of oils than DMT would.
I had to work with a colloidal suspension. added lye to raise the pH (lime just blows, it doesn't dissociate as well), then pulled with xylene, and salted.
ergolines also have at least two oxygens. raise the pH the way you would with DMT and mescaline, and ergolines readily convert to inactive lumi-compounds.

if one just wants to make an ergine salad dressing rather than isolate it, then fine..use oil.