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Using Sunflower oil for Mescaline extraction (quick test)=SUCCESS

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SWIM has now perfected this TEK & has since performed it 3 times on 100g of material and each time has got 800mg+ of beautifully clean mescaline acetate.

Will post full write up with pics soon, nothing too much new here, but a few tips & tricks that might help some people.

140mg was consumed this morning (8+ hours ago) & I'm still in heaven right now :)
 
Wow.... that 140mg was so strong yesterday, I really wasnt expecting that ;) Can't wait to try 250mg later next week.

One thing that I've noticed that I thought was quite interesting;

Previously all my other extractions I used D-Limonene & I always thought that the smell of my extracts (slightly fruity/flowery smell with a hint of orange) was due to some element of the D-Limonene remaining in the final extract, but the smell is identical when using sunflower oil.
 
Not a problem at all... & a huge thank you to you Traveler for the DMT-NEXUS.

You Simply Rock! 8)

200mg was consumed yesterday & made for a truly magical day, I'm sure in the 300-400 mg+ range for myself it will turn from magical to mystical :)

Also, the afterglow today is incredible, previously I've felt a little drained the next day so wasn't expecting this at all, but I also made sure that I ate & drank well throughtout the whole experience, just tons & tons of fruit & veg which probably may have contributed to how great I'm feeling today.
 
endlessness said:
BTW, do you want this thread here, or do you think maybe its better in the ECO-Friendly extraction teks; Eco friendly extraction teks - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Can you compare the potency of this VS limonene extracted stuff?
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Thanks, please feel free to move it to wherever you feel it best fits...

But, if you wouldn't mind maybe linking to the other thread I created or maybe just combine the two threads that would be great. Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

The largest dose I've previously had was 300mg extracted with limonene & the 200mg I had the other day was easily on par with that if not stronger, but I can tell these extracts look a lot cleaner than the previous ones...

I also can't help thinking that sunflower oil should be pretty good for full spectrum MRHB jungejimjam... to be continued...
 
Oh wow I missed that! I wont merge them because if I merge, the posts order by date, so there will be all the posts in this thread first, and its nicer to have the tek as the first post. So I just moved the other thread to the ecofriendly teks section, and i just leave this one here, no prob, that way more people probably see this nice new alternative... And im glad for the desire to experiment more! Thanks :)
 
This tek has made my day. I have ordered limonene twice now and got screwed by the company both times (Biostain). Others have not experienced problems with this company, so i imagine it was just bad luck on my part.

I have 200g of dried torch to play with, so am going to try this over the weekend or next week. Can't wait! I may use HCL instead of vinegar... or both. I have 99% acetone and 90% IPA, which will make cleaning HCL salts easier.

Thanks LucidLemonade! You rock :)
 
While i like working with solvents that can be easily evaporated (xylene.toluene or even better DCM) their availability -or lack thereof- might make it difficult in some countries or to people who would rather not distil a commercially available mixture of them. So, if the sunflower oil method proves to work nicely and consistenly it will be quite of a joy given that such an oil is accessible to almost anyone.

I have a question though: Having a plant oil in contact with a strong base, and furthermore applying heat to it is the basis of...saponification proccess! So, how do you avoid making soap? Formation of soap could have some disadvantages such as loss of the non polar oil as well as emulsification.
 
Crystalito said:
I have a question though: Having a plant oil in contact with a strong base, and furthermore applying heat to it is the basis of...saponification proccess! So, how do you avoid making soap? Formation of soap could have some disadvantages such as loss of the non polar oil as well as emulsification.
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That's a very good question & one that I'll have leave up to someone else to try & explain... All I can say is that when the TEK is repeated as above the results along each step of the way are always identical & that doesnt appear to be an issue...

Possibilities...

* each 150ml of oil is only mixed with the base for about 30mins... Does spongication take longer.. ? Or maybe it is happening on a small scale, but just not enough to have any effect on the outcome..

* the solution is only gently mixed...

* after the first 150ml has separated there is always a slight emulsion, but it beaks up & disappears very quickly...
 
DoingKermit said:
I have ordered limonene twice now and got screwed by the company both times (Biostain)
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I recently ordered limonene from them and was planning to use it in an upcoming extraction. What happened and how did you get screwed ? They seemed like a legit company to me.
 
LucidLemonade said:
780mg of tan impure acetates...


Also; I added 250ml on Flora sunflower oil but only managed to recover about 150ml and this is the result of salting that only..
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It seems to me that both the limonene and sunflower tek end up having a reduced effiency due to oil being lost in the cactus solution . This oil in the cactus solution is going to dissolve a large amount of mescaline and thus decrease your yield considerably . Does this seem reasonable ? And if so, how would be the best way to reduce this factor ?

But nevertheless, this is a great tek and I plan to experiment with this soon . Thanks so much for posting . :d
 
And is such a stong base required? Can calcium hydroxide not be used instead ?


(Sorry for the triple post, I got a little bit carried away)
 
State of the Mind said:
LucidLemonade said:
780mg of tan impure acetates...


Also; I added 250ml on Flora sunflower oil but only managed to recover about 150ml and this is the result of salting that only..
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It seems to me that both the limonene and sunflower tek end up having a reduced effiency due to oil being lost in the cactus solution . This oil in the cactus solution is going to dissolve a large amount of mescaline and thus decrease your yield considerably . Does this seem reasonable ? And if so, how would be the best way to reduce this factor ?

But nevertheless, this is a great tek and I plan to experiment with this soon . Thanks so much for posting . :d
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Hi, Oil was only lost on the first attempt, this was when the lye water was added to the cactus powder & the mix didn't get to a very watery consistency & plus that whole extraction was also a little rushed.

Once you get the mix to a watery consistency (see TEK with pics) it appears to be relatively easy to retrieve 100% of the oil you used :)
 
Bump...

Corn oil works.

There are some major differences between using it and Xylene though.
Forget paste like so called dry teks and sludge like extractions, it needs to be a bit on the watery side.

Wait for a day or two after adding lye (assuming you use lye) before adding oil, this reduces chances of soap related by products.

When stirring and mixing be gentle and patient.

It is possible to get a precipitate of "ash" particularly if you use Ca hydroxide (lime) as the base, if you get this try rinsing the calcium rich deposits with alcohol through a coffee filter.

A marqis of the non-rinsed calcium deposits was bright orange, consistent with mescaline, but the same test of the rinsed calcium had no color change.

While the method involves some modifications, it has some advantages over Xylene extractions. One is that you can now microwave the oil/water mixtures to help separation of emulsions take place and you have no fumes or explosion risk. There is no tell tale odor of Xylene like solvents, a simple and safe mesc extraction is unlikely to be confused with a meth lab as is so common today.

The oil does not break down the way limonene does, this means less goop in your product, you can end up with good crystals without really needing to recrystallize.

Emulsions with oil can be broken up and separated by adding a bit of water gently and just waiting. You can see this happening in clear containers and it is easier to deal with and solve than the same emulsions using xylene, IME.

You can use Ca hydroxide, but this seems to cause some Ca to transfer over to the oil and you will likely need to use an alcohol rinse to clean the extract.

Thanks for this thread, it is really worth following up on.
 

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