Vaping with Syrian Rue

[The Sofa Traveler]

I usually drink the freebase by dissolving it in lemon juice, adding a few water and gulp it down the hatch. If your extracts are in HCL form, you could as well encapsulate them before swallowing to avoid the taste. In your case, dissolving it in lemon juice would be an indicator of purity level of your extracts since alkaloids will dissolve while gunk will not.

And when I take them sublingual, I encapsulate them, crush the capsule slightly in the middle to give it a kidney-bean shape, poke small holes in it, and place it under my tongue.

 

[JosBoaz]

Since @Dannyboy and @theghost are not talking about pure harmalas, it would probably be safe to say that one can at least use those dosage measurements as a guideline.

For oral use (swallowing), I think the dose recommendations for isolated alkaloids can reasonably be used as a starting point for testing the product. In any case, when you take harmala, you should be able to clearly feel its effects. If you don’t feel anything at all, then something is up.

"If you're going to swallow it, you need to take more than your proposed 60mg."

How much?

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

"If you're going to swallow it, you need to take more than your proposed 60mg."

How much?

Average dose for oral/swallowed harmalas would be about 150mg. 60mg would be an equivalent dose for sublingual but rather weak for oral intake. These doses are intended for cleaned harmalas, which maybe isn't the case of your 5X extracts. Anyway, build your way up gradually.

 

[JosBoaz]

@Dannyboy any updates?

 

[theghost]

OK first report for me

I have a MTL vape with a ratio of 1.5 : 1 (DMT to juice).

I took 300mg of 5x syrian rue extract and waited 2 hours.

I didn't feel any effects from the SR extract itself

I generally need to take 2 tokes on my vape to get to the point where everything is hazy. I don't generally push further than that.

I would say the effect on the vape was
-some tingling in the body which was not there before - mainly in my stomach area.
- it lasted a little longer than normal - like a few minutes.
- it felt easier to go a bit deeper - my visuals were very vivid and it was a bit scary to almost lose control - although I could open my eyes with some effort so maybe not a breakthrough.

Overall the MAOI did make a small difference to the vape.

I might next try 500/600mg.

 

[JosBoaz]

OK first report for me

I have a MTL vape with a ratio of 1.5 : 1 (DMT to juice).

I took 300mg of 5x syrian rue extract and waited 2 hours.

I didn't feel any effects from the SR extract itself

I generally need to take 2 tokes on my vape to get to the point where everything is hazy. I don't generally push further than that.

I would say the effect on the vape was
-some tingling in the body which was not there before - mainly in my stomach area.
- it lasted a little longer than normal - like a few minutes.
- it felt easier to go a bit deeper - my visuals were very vivid and it was a bit scary to almost lose control - although I could open my eyes with some effort so maybe not a breakthrough.

Overall the MAOI did make a small difference to the vape.

I might next try 500/600mg.

I'm not really experienced in this extract form. I bought it once and thought wtf is this bs.
Compared to very strong brews of harmala.

Later, I made these extracts myself, due to the extraction process of harmala alkaloids. So this form (x5 extract) is a midway point within that specific process. Took it a couple of times, but must say that it feels somewhat more alive than pure alkaloids (harmaline and harmine), but it fails compared to raw seeds. (raw seeds can be eaten, used to make tea, making brews, or harmala resin)

I didn't feel any effects from the SR extract itself

This is very telling, to be honest. When I take harmala, I always feel the effects, of course, this is because I know from experience how much I should take. (to get a specific level of effects)
I won't be surprised that when you find the dosage level you need to get decent "trippyness" effects from harmala alone, when you take a few minor puffs of your dmt device, you will be blown away by the increased effects.

Yes, let us know how the next trip will be, when you increase the dose of harmala.
And are you planning to acquire plain harmala seeds at one point?

 

[Animistic]

I don't know if there are any legit 5x or 15x syrian rue extracts out there, not a single person I've seen talk about them is talking about them in a way that indicates any level of activity. Harmala extraction is really simple, just a little time consuming with the filtering if you do it properly. I highly suggest looking into doing that.

Vaping DMT with oral or sublingual harmala is a beautiful experience though, so you won't be disappointed when you get it right. Extends the experience but also anchors it and gives it its own flavour. I much prefer DMT with harmalas than without.

 

[theghost]

I have some rue seeds (not used yet) and the 5x extract. The benefit of the 5x extract is that its easy to eat in capsules.

I have some pure alkaloids due soon. But they are some what more difficult to get to start with.

The SR extraction looks a pain and although I can follow the DMT ones the SR seem harder!

I am going to try every variation! I may try 500mg of the extract tonight.

JosBoaz - you seem to be saying the seeds are better than the pure alkaloids - I guess because something is lost during extraction?

 

[Antelo]

Hola, disculpen si hay un foro mejor para publicar esto, pero no estaba del todo seguro de dónde ponerlo.

Soy un consumidor experimentado de DMT y actualmente llevo alrededor de 270 viajes. No se trata de 270 experiencias trascendentales, sino de 270 experiencias que considero lo suficientemente profundas como para "contarlas".

En los últimos 2 meses también he empezado a microdosificar dando una calada de un segundo al vaporizador, una o dos veces al día (mi líquido es potente, así que una calada de un segundo es una pequeña dosis bastante agradable).

Mi mezcla consiste en 1 gramo de DMT por 4 ml de líquido para vapear sin sabor. Sí, hemos leído sobre gente que mezcla 1 gramo con 1 ml, lo cual me parece una locura, pero mi mezcla de DMT y líquido es realmente muy potente, y mezclar un gramo en 4 o 5 ml sigue dando como resultado una mezcla muy potente.

En fin, me he comprado un extracto de ruda siria (Peganum Harmala) X5 en polvo y quiero ver si por fin puedo experimentar la versión ampliada del viaje con DMT.

¿Alguien me puede aconsejar sobre cómo hacerlo? He oído que debo poner un poco de polvo debajo de la lengua durante 20 minutos y luego empezar a inhalar. Dijeron 150 mg de polvo, pero me parece mucho. ¿O también se puede añadir al té?

Yo uso un vaporizador, así que supongo que podría ir con precaución y dar caladas de un segundo cada minuto, o algo así.

¿A qué te dedicas?

No soy tan experimentando como tú respecto al DMT.
Llevo años consumiendo ruda Siria con xilocibina y com mimosa hostilis.
Yo, suelo tomar unos 3 gramos de ruda Siria, picada en una picadora de café, creo que el momento idóneo de vapear el DMT sería una vez que las hamalas y almalinas de la ruda, picada y en infusión, simplemente calientala durante o 10 minutos, yo en particular por debajo del punto de ebullición. Aunque no sé si esto es necesario, no sé a qué temperatura se volatibizan las harminas, pero veo como la infusión más oscureciendo hasta tener un negro parecido al café.
Yo, tomaría la peor aproximadamente una hora después de tomar la ruda, cuando yo se noten sus efectos, para que acerque así todo el DMT pasó a la granola pineal y tarde más en descomponer.
Muchas gracias.

 

[northape]

I have some rue seeds (not used yet) and the 5x extract. The benefit of the 5x extract is that its easy to eat in capsules.

5x extract is a joke, sorry. Basically, even raw seeds are miles ahead of any such extract.

I have some pure alkaloids due soon. But they are some what more difficult to get to start with.

Why? What could be easier?

The SR extraction looks a pain and although I can follow the DMT ones the SR seem harder!

No way. Rue extraction is as easy as it gets:

Post in thread 'Syrian Rue tea and a couple vape puffs'

Sep 20, 2026

I couldn't leave this thread without a constructive outcome. For OP and also for @JosBoaz and @Panpsychic, who seem to struggle with Tao of Rue tek, here is another one with more concise writing and some personal insights : forget Tao of rue and forget the hassle of manske/HCL. Freebase will cover all of your uses (oral, sublingual, smoked, even snorted), it's the most versatile form and the one who requires the less work. Here is the tek I use for my extractions - thanks @CosmicLion, Nexus is missing you - that I tweaked as follows :

• No need to grind/powder...

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I am going to try every variation! I may try 500mg of the extract tonight.

JosBoaz - you seem to be saying the seeds are better than the pure alkaloids - I guess because something is lost during extraction?

It's his personal preference, imo

Good luck

 

[JosBoaz]

JosBoaz - you seem to be saying the seeds are better than the pure alkaloids - I guess because something is lost during extraction?

When you address somebody, it is always a good habit to add @ before their name, so they will get tagged and notified about your statement. Right now for me, 'watching' is enabled in this thread because I posted in this thread. But I might as well disable it, which I tend to do.

Yes, that is my observation about extractions that are more prone to filtering certain molecules from these plants. I'm not the only one who speaks about this phenomenon, I have seen it mentioned online a couple of times. I guess you personally need to test it out to form a decent opinion about it yourself. The extraction method that I employ nowadays is aligned with my preference. This keeps the full spectrum of the plant intact, and you can easily consume it without the nasty taste of harmala.

Here you can read how it's made

 

[theghost]

I'll try the 5x extract up to 600mg and 1000mg (which is what the seller recommended).

I'll do seeds after

The pure alkaloid is more difficult as I have to get it from abroad but I should have some soon. I mean that would be best as I know the dose every time (in theory). I will look into extraction again if I like it.

 

[northape]

I'll try the 5x extract up to 600mg and 1000mg (which is what the seller recommended).

I'll do seeds after

The pure alkaloid is more difficult as I have to get it from abroad but I should have some soon. I mean that would be best as I know the dose every time (in theory). I will look into extraction again if I like it.

I doubt that you'd have any success with these sold extracts. I've never seen a case where someone was satisfied with them. Extracted harmalas tend to be fine quality-wise. You can simply chew on some seeds or make a decoction (tea) from them. It's a common starting point for almost everyone. Then, depending on your preference and style of work, you can look into extracting rue, which is not hard at all. I prefer teas myself, but that's just my own preference. I use rue orally in strong doses and occasionally, so a tea works for me.
I'd extract rue seeds for vaping, though

 

[Panpsychic]

The point being, I technically shouldn't be scared but I think it's just the sense that you will have no choice but to ride it out for 30 or 40 minutes whether you like it or not, whereas with the vape cart experience I was fully in control and could stop at any time.

You shouldn't be scared necessarily but that is of course up to you and how you approach this. However while your numerous DMT trips are unique in themselves, this is far from being simply 'an extended DMT session'. There is in fact a separate way people do that with DMTx protocols done in a research setting.

Harmalas + smoked DMT though is something else.
The 'proper' way to do it, if we go by the shamanic tradition of always combining them.
Harmalas are indeed seen as 'the main event' and DMT the accelerator in those traditions. Many have spoken about these topics on here.
Aside from the fact it will last longer, and be deepened and potentiated, you will find new dimensions opening up.
For me in particular, it is when Harmalas are combined with DMT that the trips become much more directed , and the very present presence of the Most High becomes clear guiding the process.

I wish you well on this next phase of your journey.