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SWIMfriend

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I have a friend, SWIM, who has a sincere, serious, and dedicated plan to relentlessly investigate the spirit molecule. He (or she) is a non-smoker, and is especially fearful of the noted harsh lung effects from the molecule's smoke (really, dedication or no, it ain't gonna happen--another way has to be found). What are opinions about:

1) Does it vaporize? What temperature might one set on a digital Volcano vaporizer to properly vaporize it? Would it be just as nasty as a vapor as it is as a smoke?

2) Is it possible/easy to extract to a purity that makes it save to inject IV? Erowid shows a nice photo of yellow crystals, but SWIM read that pure crystals are clear/white. Are the yellow crystals pure enough for IV use?

btw, my friend, SWIM, has a decent amount of college chemistry (but wouldn't call him/herself a chemist).

Both I and my friend are total noobs on these issues. Sharing would be accepted with genuine gratitude...
 
non - smoker - but would rather inject then smoke - eh


the smoke is not harsh at all if the spice is smoked correctly - also doing a d-limonene extraction makes the spice very soft to smoke and adds a delicious orangy flavor.
 
Phlux- said:
non - smoker - but would rather inject then smoke - eh


the smoke is not harsh at all if the spice is smoked correctly - also doing a d-limonene extraction makes the spice very soft to smoke and adds a delicious orangy flavor.
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Ditto: If you smoke it right you are actually vaporizing it. The harsh smoke comes from overheating and burning the spice. Another safer option to IV is to take it orally with an MAOI (but research the dangers of MAOI's first!!!), or if you're really bold you can try the DMT enema that the Neuro Soup girl talks about (still probably safer than IV). If you're completely set on IV, I'd suggest researching Strassman's experiments in detail. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe he administered the drug via IV method.

Be smart though, and continue to ask a lot of questions as you have here. I can only imaging how destructive injecting impure spice might be.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to your reports! Good luck my man! Be safe!
 
SWIM recalls reading somewhere that it needs to be in salt form and not freebase form? SWIM could be mistaken, but believes this to be true.
 
"Salt rather than freebase." Hmmm, sounds sensible to SWIM.

"Smoking correctly" is equivalent to vaporization. So then vaporization IS the way to go.

SWIM is comfortable with injection because of confidence and familiarity with medicial procedures. SWIM thinks that dosing is critical for zeroing in on the ideal experience; that's best carried out with pure molecule and IV injection (and a fine scale). There are photos here in extract threads that show beautiful, clear crystals. SWIM would be comfortable injecting extracts like that--especially after trying a small vaporization to verify that the right molecule had been crystalized.

It's my understanding that Rick Strassman did administer by injection. "Smoking" of a drug does not seem appropriate for a controlled, clinical scientific study.

Thanks for the answers 😉
 
I would suggest NOT IVing yellow spice. There are plant oils that may drop out in your blood stream.

If you wish to persue IV dmt there are quite a few really good threads on here about how purify and safely inject dmt (I use the word safely in a very relative way).

Yes is must be in salt form, but that can be done while preparing your shot. A drop of vinegar will do the trick (others may want to chime in as I don't know how safe it is to IV small amounts of vinegar, but I know many IV cocaine addicts use vinegar to salt freebase cocaine to IV). You will want to check the pH of your shot before administering.

I would also do repeated recrystalizations on your spice. You want it clear as can be.
 
Excellent info, acolon_5. SWIM will appreciate it. You're right, simple acetic acid ("pure" vinegar) should be a simple way to turn a freebase into a salt. SWIM says there would be no harm from that--as long as pH and molarity of the solution were made similar to blood plasma.
 
When 'smoking' - you are ALWAYS supposed to be vaporizing it. If you 'smoke' it correctly, it will not be harsh at all. Not even plastic-y, as many members here have told of. If you were to smoke it out of a water pipe (bubbler) or bong, you only taste it - if done correctly. SWIM uses a small bubbler and it works great. Very pleasant. (something to note - SWIM is a daily cannabis smoker, so it could easily prove to be 'harsh' to virgin lungs, SWIM supposes, but nonetheless, certainly something you can handle).

As for using a volcano - SWIM would recommend against it. A whip-style vaporizer (such as the silver surfer vaporizer) is a much better vaporizer for vap'ing spice. It allows the fresh vapor to directly go into your lungs, rather than have it pool up in a bag (which doesn't seem like it would be good for the spice... though I have nothing to back that up with).

Many members here use a vapor genie, try contacting them or finding a thread here (shit, I think there's one on the front page!) about using that. It is cheaper than the silver surfer, and quite effective, SWIM's read.

Good luck my friend! Hope you have many wonderful, meaningful journeys into hyperspace. It's beyond your wildest dreams. :)
 
Oh, as for non smokers smoking spice:

I have turned on a great many non smokers, no cigs, no mj, no smoke to DMT.

The easiest way for a non smoker to enjoy vaporized DMT is in a bong. Yes a bong. Yes a bong with water. Cool water will even work and will act as a heat sink.

If one uses WHITE Lotus (not blue but white) or mullen it will be VERY smooth. I've had almost a 100% success rate with non-smokers breaking though using the leaf bed method with white lotus. Trust me it can be done without pain or even a cough attack.
 
Again, I (and SWIM) offer total appreciation for the kindness and wisdom shared here. People who are both serious and kind are, unfortunately, somewhat of a rarity...

Thanks, wake and bacon, for the details about vaporization. "Virgin lungs" are exactly the issue. Everybody has their weaknesses and phobias. SWIM would rather IV toilet water than deeply inhale burnt industrial chemicals. Gentle vaporization of highly purified material is the only exception SWIM would make--so details are important to understand.

Given the tediousness of extractions (and the somewhat unpleasant need for shipping bark through the mail), the idea of wasting material in learning is frustrating.
 
Extractions for the spice, in the grand scheme of extractions, are ridiculously easy. If you ordered a lb of bark, the spice will last you for a very, very, long time. Wasting material, while not ideal, is not a big deal, in SWIM's opinion. It's part of the learning process. Just do a small extraction first (50g bark) to learn on - and use that spice to 'learn' smoking with.

A very key thing to understand, and to make sure you do if you choose to vaporize instead of IV, is to never burn the spice. This is the cause of discomfort, and failed launches. With a steady hand and lighter, or a vaporizer, you will have no problem.

SWIM's opinion on IV'ing? Only if it was synthesized, 99-100% pure DMT. There are just too many variables with home-clandestine extracted spice to set SWIM at ease when he's putting that needle into his vein. But then again, IV'ing is also something SWIM never sees himself doing, so take what SWIM says with a grain of salt (or a few mg's of spice). :p
 
Thanks wake.

My theory on purity: Washed crystals which have a DMT effect (as tested through vaporization, say), and which look as DMT crystals should look, should be absolutely pure--crystalization == purity. Is this logic wrong?
 
acolon_5 said:
I've had almost a 100% success rate with non-smokers breaking though using the leaf bed method with white lotus. Trust me it can be done without pain or even a cough attack.
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That sounds like an ideal starting point. SWIM's friend thanks you.
 
wake and bacon said:
...A whip-style vaporizer (such as the silver surfer vaporizer) is a much better vaporizer for vap'ing spice....
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Just had a look at this. This is a beautiful instrument, obviously lovingly designed and sold. Also, they have available attachable water filters as well. This seems perfect. Good rec!
 
SWIMfriend said:
wake and bacon said:
...A whip-style vaporizer (such as the silver surfer vaporizer) is a much better vaporizer for vap'ing spice....
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Just had a look at this. This is a beautiful instrument, obviously lovingly designed and sold. Also, they have available attachable water filters as well. This seems perfect. Good rec!
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SWIM used it for cannabis as well, with a mini ice chamber attached, and it's just fucking wonderful. Highly recommended for vaporizing anything.
 
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