Science paper Vaporhuasca for 4 people, how much siryan seeds?

I'm going to a psychedelic weekend with 3 friends, I was thinking : day 1) LSD+ketamine and day2) Vaporhuasca with siryan seeds tea and free DMT hits through an RTA.

Usually I make a tea with 3 grams seeds, a cup of water and don't redose. In this case I would like to have the option to take more MAOI after few hours and I would prepare more tea for everyone but I can't figure out the quantity of seeds and water to put on...

 

[Varallo]

Not really an science paper but I think that it would be best to end up with a very clear indication on what you’re taking at the moment so for example, I would do the extract of 1 g per full shot glass so that whenever you’re taking more, you will know how much is there approximately in the glass. So you started out with taking three shots and then you can add one or two or three depending on your mood and you will still know how much you have taken.

Good luck, oral harmalas and an dmt vape are my favorite combination

 

[ildruido]

Not really an science paper but I think that it would be best to end up with a very clear indication on what you’re taking at the moment so for example, I would do the extract of 1 g per full shot glass so that whenever you’re taking more, you will know how much is there approximately in the glass. So you started out with taking three shots and then you can add one or two or three depending on your mood and you will still know how much you have taken.

Good luck, oral harmalas and an dmt vape are my favorite combination

so for example, if a put 20grams I should put 20 glass no matter how much it will end up because the vaporization the ratio will be always the same
(hey are u italian by any chance)

 

[Varallo]

Just make your extract as usual, then measure the volume of one glass, then measure the volume of your extracts and calculate the amount of water you need to add to get to 1 g per glass.

 

[ildruido]

Just make your extract as usual, then measure the volume of one glass, then measure the volume of your extracts and calculate the amount of water you need to add to get to 1 g per glass.

cool... how often would u suggest to redose?

 

[BecometheOther]

I would use 24 grams of syrian rue seeds, boiled down to about 400 ml of water. This is enough for 8, 3 gram doses, with 50 ml of liquid being one 3 gram dose. Then to measure out the dose for consumption, just use some sort of graduated container, pour out 50 ml and it should be quite precise. For a re-dose, use another 50 ml, consuming some or all of it.

I would say re-dosing the harmalas maybe after 3 or 4 hours, probably not sooner.

Better yet I wouldn't make tea at all with the rue, but would powderize it and pack it into gel caps. Its more consistent and powerful this way IME.

Hope your psychedelic weekend is good, if you haven't already had it!

 

[New Sneakers]

Not really an science paper but I think that it would be best to end up with a very clear indication on what you’re taking at the moment so for example, I would do the extract of 1 g per full shot glass so that whenever you’re taking more, you will know how much is there approximately in the glass. So you started out with taking three shots and then you can add one or two or three depending on your mood and you will still know how much you have taken.

Good luck, oral harmalas and an dmt vape are my favorite combination

Out of curiosity, how much longer do oral harmalas extend the vaporized DMT experience? I’m interested in trying this.

 

[ildruido]

Out of curiosity, how much longer do oral harmalas extend the vaporized DMT experience? I’m interested in trying this.

well it extends the experience by 2x/3x and you can redose with almost not tolerance

 

[weirdoigo]

Better yet I wouldn't make tea at all with the rue, but would powderize it and pack it into gel caps. Its more consistent and powerful this way IME.

I second this.
it also means you can be minimal on the liquids so digestive juices are less diluted and nausea should be minimized.
I had no side-effects with 2.5g powdered in capsules chased with just a little bit of grated fresh ginger tea, such that I wasn't even sure if it was going to work until it did...

Out of curiosity, how much longer do oral harmalas extend the vaporized DMT experience? I’m interested in trying this.

for me, it turned what has only ever been a 5-10 minute experience previously into a 1-2 hour one.


I'll repeat that dose again before I try one where I redose. or maybe try a second spice dose to see how long the second one lasts on the remaining inhibition before I attempt to extend it.

I waited exactly 2 hours before spice, because capsules might delay digestion by 20-40 minutes compared to tea (where they'd normally suggest a 60-90 min wait). if I was going to redose, I'd do it at that 2 hour mark just before the spice, since I don't think I'll have any nausea etc. to worry about, as that should overlap pretty well. But if I was trying a higher initial dose more like ayehuasca (maybe 300mg actives instead of 150) I wouldn't redose so soon, or at least I'd suspect that the afterglow would still be persisting longer.

 

[copperbubbles]

I agree that you should make it with the same ratios as you usually do—do everything the same, including the time spent boiling and the amount that you reduce it. That way you know exactly what you're giving your friends. If you aren't usually very precise, I'd do a run of your usual one dose recipe with a timer, some measuring cups, and a pen and paper so that you can make it precise and repeatable and then scale it up.

If you didn't already have a method, here is what I've done successfully. I'll scale it up for 8 doses for you. Each final dose will be about 1/4C liquid. Even if you don't use this exact method, maybe it will give you some technique ideas.

1) Grab the pot you'll use and pour in 2C of water. Find some way of marking the height of this amount of liquid in this pot. For example, maybe make a mark on a popsicle stick. Later, when you're reducing the tea, you can use this to know when you're done. Discard the water.

2) Put this in the pot:
- 16C hot water
- 24g rue seeds
- juice of 1 lemon, strained (any pulp grossifies the final texture)
- shake of ginger powder for nausea
- very small pinch of salt for taste (such as it is, lol)

3) Boil hard (very high heat) for ~30 minutes, keeping an eye on it to make sure it doesn't boil dry. Use the popsicle stick (or whatever you're using) to know when you're done.

4) Pour the mixture through a strainer into a collection vessel.

5) Optionally, for a little more efficiency, add a small amount of water (1 or 2 tablespoons) to the pot. Swirl it around to get all the good stuff left behind, then pour this through the strained seeds into your collection vessel.

6) Divide evenly between eight cups.

I had a wonderful experience last night with this method!! Vaporhuasca is just pure fun.

This mixture may end up being stronger than the one you usually make, but I can't say for sure based on the details you've given. There are ways to make it more resource-efficient, but I like that this way doesn't take very long, and, even though I've divided it into micro-steps here, if you think about it, there's really only one step lol. Plus the cleanup is easy.

Finally, I'll share a tip I was delighted to discover recently, which is that the perfect chaser is a fatty liquid such as whole milk, creamy oat milk, or even coffee creamer. If you plug your nose while drinking the tea and the swish and swallow the chaser without unplugging it, you never even taste the rue.

Quick edit: I realize that I write kind of like an llm lol. I like em dashes and I like formatting. I promise I am a person!!!!

 

[Flufferus]

an old nexian shared with me that boiled rue seeds do not require acidification during boiling, apperantly they naturally acidify abit.

i have noticed no difference when forgoing any ph'ing of the rue stu. it would be beneficial to convert harmalas to citrate if drying out for powder, though.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Dear @Flufferus aka Le Floof : some like me use tap hard water which could have higher pH. Observation from my intensive past tea use with tap hard water : those I acidified with lemon juice were definitely much stronger (at the time I was comparing with/without lemon juice for same amount of seeds, from same batch). Anyway, slightly acidifying the water doesn't hurt, not doing it might decrease tea potency in some cases, that's why I always advocate for doing it. I guess that if the pH of the tea is too high, part of the harmalas will stay as freebase and might be discarded when filtering the tea.

 

[Flufferus]

Dear @Flufferus aka Le Floof : some like me use tap hard water which could have higher pH. Observation from my intensive past tea use with tap hard water : those I acidified with lemon juice were definitely much stronger (at the time I was comparing with/without lemon juice for same amount of seeds, from same batch). Anyway, slightly acidifying the water doesn't hurt, not doing it might decrease tea potency in some cases, that's why I always advocate for doing it. I guess that if the pH of the tea is too high, part of the harmalas will stay as freebase and might be discarded when filtering the tea.

Ahhh ok yea that makes sense, I use bottled water because my waters mildly hard at 7.5

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Ahhh ok yea that makes sense, I use bottled water because my waters mildly hard at 7.5

Yeah, rue tea was the exception for me, otherwise I never drink my tap water. I only drink bottled (sparkling) water but it would have been too expensive to evaporate most of it for rue teas I drink my harmalas extracts with bottled water though.