FractalPsychonaut
Rising Star
Hello, I apologize advance for writing so much but this is my first time interacting with the forum and I've just had my first two proper experiences with DMT over the last few days, so I'd like to get some feedback and clear up some uncertainty, I guess whilst staying thorough so I don't miss anything.. hope this is the right part of the nexus to post this on lol.
For context, since I'm talking about dosage, I'm a guy and I weigh like 75kg.
I guess I'll start off with my experiences first and ask questions later, soo.. For my first experience I used 2.75g ground Syrian rue, with split dosing (1.5g at T-60m and 1.25g at T-20m), with 1.25g ground MHRB (T-0). I didn't have capsules, so I didn't even try to encapsulate the material or mix it into anything, I just dry scooped it and washed it down with a sweet drink to mask the taste. Same thing for my 2nd experience, although I used 4g Syrian rue and 2g MHRB in total (2.5g T-60m, 1g T-30m, 0.5g rue + 2g MHRB T-0). I thought I was starting off with maybe a threshold-level experience, if anything happened at all, since I read that >2g is usually reported as pretty psychoactive, I also threw up 50 minutes in since it seems raw fibrous MHRB is really harsh on the stomach, go figure.. seems the DMT had time to absorb though and I had an extremely pleasant and fun trip afterwards that lasted around 4 hours in total, with some pretty cool CEVs at the peak although not many OEVs, seemed to have a heavy positive body load.
I thought 2g MHRB wasn't too big of a step up, and by the time I even took it I was already feeling a noticeable and quite pleasant antidepressant and body-sedating effect from the rue. I then proceeded to purge only 25 minutes in, with immediate nausea the second the MHRB hit my stomach, and even then the subjective onset was much faster. I then proceeded to go through the trippiest experience of my life so far, although I didn't even get all that many OEVs or auditory hallucinations at the peak, I saw incredible CEVs, although they somehow felt imaginatory so I wasn't even sure if I was "seeing" them in my vision or my mind's eye, though at the peak, the distinction blurred. My experience of my body, thoughts, and emotions, blurred together, to the point I couldn't even tell if I was breathing enough (or almost at all), or if my heart was beating, and it felt like my body was melting, I also felt and maybe barely saw some entities although again it felt as-though I was imagining them instead of seeing them even though I had no choice in it.. Also felt very tired/sleepy at the peak for some reason, although I didn't feel like I could possibly fall asleep. The craziest CEV I saw was a fractal representation of what felt like massive 3D "panes/sheets" of prism-fractals as frames of mental/sensory information, viewed "from the side", in front of which was a super simple fractal representation of my conscious mind too, with the innate sense that this was my conscious mind getting overclocked by an unprocessable backlog of information, accompanying the visual. The whole trip also lasted around 4 hours, with the latter two being similar, for a while, to the peak of my first trip.
I guess consequently I do have some questions about this whole experience, I'd love to get some answers from you guys no matter how much experience you have with DMT.
First of all, I see a lot of reported oral dosage variability with DMT freebase, with some people saying 50-70mg or less does a lot for them, with others needing >100mg to even feel anything at all, with this also dependent on the MAOI dosage, but I either seem to be on the more sensitive side or my MHRB is just strong (or I took a lot of MAOI for my weight), what are your guys' experiences with oral dosing with pure DMT (FB or salt form)? I have some, yellowish although otherwise quite pure clumps of single crystals, although maybe like 80mg so not a lot for sure.. Also, even if my MHRB were like 1.5-2%, that would only equal 30-40mg of the freebase in total for 2g of bark, which seems really disproportionately strong compared to any anecdotal report I've seen here at all?? Has anyone else here ever had effects so strong with this little??
Second of all, as I said my CEVs on the second dose were complex (as aforedescribed, also saw stuff like Menger sponges) although they felt very imaginatory, especially at first, is it likely that a higher dose of harmalas here altered their feel/character, or do some of you guys also find that really complex visuals start at first "in the mind's eye"? Definitely got confused by that at first since I was used to CEVs on lower doses feeling entirely visual, not imagined.
Lastly this might be kind of a stupid question since I've never really gone beyond a 2g MHRB trip before, but do some of you guys experience Ayahuasca trips as really body-heavy with really disproportionately strong bodily sensations or CEVs, before OEVs even really appear in much complexity, if not barely at all? I did get OEVs, but mostly shifting patterns, barely anything particularly colorful, and nothing even close to OEVs that overlay everything. I did look at some DMT trip recreation videos on Youtube, with lots of people calling them accurate, yet for such a strong experience even my CEVs were orders of magnitude below that level of vividness, intensity, and so on, although I know there are levels to this I haven't come close to, so maybe I think the (positive/neutral) body load I had on MHRB was massive only because I've never experienced more.
Honestly I'm so interested in doing it with freebase or salts instead of MHRB because of the nausea, on 1.25g it all passed immediately the moment I purged but on 2g it just kept going and I felt like I was about to purge a 2nd time, but didn't, and I felt too sedated to even really try to go for it. Really messed with the trip, I'm pretty sure I might have felt distinctly great as I did on 1.25g were it not for that, but overall I'd say it was still worth it albeit with a rough start.
I hope I didn't write way too much, especially the first few paragraphs for context, most posts I see around here are usually far shorter. I'm also pretty tired writing this so there are probably some mistakes here and there..
For context, since I'm talking about dosage, I'm a guy and I weigh like 75kg.
I guess I'll start off with my experiences first and ask questions later, soo.. For my first experience I used 2.75g ground Syrian rue, with split dosing (1.5g at T-60m and 1.25g at T-20m), with 1.25g ground MHRB (T-0). I didn't have capsules, so I didn't even try to encapsulate the material or mix it into anything, I just dry scooped it and washed it down with a sweet drink to mask the taste. Same thing for my 2nd experience, although I used 4g Syrian rue and 2g MHRB in total (2.5g T-60m, 1g T-30m, 0.5g rue + 2g MHRB T-0). I thought I was starting off with maybe a threshold-level experience, if anything happened at all, since I read that >2g is usually reported as pretty psychoactive, I also threw up 50 minutes in since it seems raw fibrous MHRB is really harsh on the stomach, go figure.. seems the DMT had time to absorb though and I had an extremely pleasant and fun trip afterwards that lasted around 4 hours in total, with some pretty cool CEVs at the peak although not many OEVs, seemed to have a heavy positive body load.
I thought 2g MHRB wasn't too big of a step up, and by the time I even took it I was already feeling a noticeable and quite pleasant antidepressant and body-sedating effect from the rue. I then proceeded to purge only 25 minutes in, with immediate nausea the second the MHRB hit my stomach, and even then the subjective onset was much faster. I then proceeded to go through the trippiest experience of my life so far, although I didn't even get all that many OEVs or auditory hallucinations at the peak, I saw incredible CEVs, although they somehow felt imaginatory so I wasn't even sure if I was "seeing" them in my vision or my mind's eye, though at the peak, the distinction blurred. My experience of my body, thoughts, and emotions, blurred together, to the point I couldn't even tell if I was breathing enough (or almost at all), or if my heart was beating, and it felt like my body was melting, I also felt and maybe barely saw some entities although again it felt as-though I was imagining them instead of seeing them even though I had no choice in it.. Also felt very tired/sleepy at the peak for some reason, although I didn't feel like I could possibly fall asleep. The craziest CEV I saw was a fractal representation of what felt like massive 3D "panes/sheets" of prism-fractals as frames of mental/sensory information, viewed "from the side", in front of which was a super simple fractal representation of my conscious mind too, with the innate sense that this was my conscious mind getting overclocked by an unprocessable backlog of information, accompanying the visual. The whole trip also lasted around 4 hours, with the latter two being similar, for a while, to the peak of my first trip.
I guess consequently I do have some questions about this whole experience, I'd love to get some answers from you guys no matter how much experience you have with DMT.
First of all, I see a lot of reported oral dosage variability with DMT freebase, with some people saying 50-70mg or less does a lot for them, with others needing >100mg to even feel anything at all, with this also dependent on the MAOI dosage, but I either seem to be on the more sensitive side or my MHRB is just strong (or I took a lot of MAOI for my weight), what are your guys' experiences with oral dosing with pure DMT (FB or salt form)? I have some, yellowish although otherwise quite pure clumps of single crystals, although maybe like 80mg so not a lot for sure.. Also, even if my MHRB were like 1.5-2%, that would only equal 30-40mg of the freebase in total for 2g of bark, which seems really disproportionately strong compared to any anecdotal report I've seen here at all?? Has anyone else here ever had effects so strong with this little??
Second of all, as I said my CEVs on the second dose were complex (as aforedescribed, also saw stuff like Menger sponges) although they felt very imaginatory, especially at first, is it likely that a higher dose of harmalas here altered their feel/character, or do some of you guys also find that really complex visuals start at first "in the mind's eye"? Definitely got confused by that at first since I was used to CEVs on lower doses feeling entirely visual, not imagined.
Lastly this might be kind of a stupid question since I've never really gone beyond a 2g MHRB trip before, but do some of you guys experience Ayahuasca trips as really body-heavy with really disproportionately strong bodily sensations or CEVs, before OEVs even really appear in much complexity, if not barely at all? I did get OEVs, but mostly shifting patterns, barely anything particularly colorful, and nothing even close to OEVs that overlay everything. I did look at some DMT trip recreation videos on Youtube, with lots of people calling them accurate, yet for such a strong experience even my CEVs were orders of magnitude below that level of vividness, intensity, and so on, although I know there are levels to this I haven't come close to, so maybe I think the (positive/neutral) body load I had on MHRB was massive only because I've never experienced more.
Honestly I'm so interested in doing it with freebase or salts instead of MHRB because of the nausea, on 1.25g it all passed immediately the moment I purged but on 2g it just kept going and I felt like I was about to purge a 2nd time, but didn't, and I felt too sedated to even really try to go for it. Really messed with the trip, I'm pretty sure I might have felt distinctly great as I did on 1.25g were it not for that, but overall I'd say it was still worth it albeit with a rough start.
I hope I didn't write way too much, especially the first few paragraphs for context, most posts I see around here are usually far shorter. I'm also pretty tired writing this so there are probably some mistakes here and there..
