Very low yield extract, theories as to what went wrong

[DoorSeeker]

So SWIM did an extraction following Noman's tek. SWIM did not do the sodium carbonate wash. SWIM followed all of his direction using 50g bark, with one change. Near the bottom he said if you use powdered root bark use 1.5x to 2x more water. So SWIM used 1300ml of water instead of 750ml. It was hard to measure because it was so little but SWIM got about a total of 30mg to 50mg of very nice crystals from 4 pulls. Last 2 yielded nothing. SWIM's theory is the dilution was unnecessary. SWIM added 75 grams of lye and is getting some snow globes peaking in his freezer from 3 more extactions. In the mean time of waiting for the freeze precipitation SWIM is starting a new batch. This time he is going to follow the ratio by Entropmancer in the "remarks" session (50g bark:750ml water:75g lye) with 100g of bark, multiplying everything by 2 of course. SWIM's thinking is a nice heavy lye beating like Entropmancer's ratio should yield better. Also, SWIM was thinking of ditching the coffee filter and just pouring off the naphtha, flipping container over, refreezing and then scrapping out after full evaporation. What do you guys think?

I know there are a lot of variables but wanted to get everyone's thoughts. Btw, SWIM is using 100% lye, distilled water with no additives and Klean Strip vm&p. Thanks in advance.

 

[Asher7]

If you're using 100 grams of bark, 100 grams of lye and 1,500ml of water will be a good balance.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Who the heck is SWIM?




Use of "SWIM" is unnecessary and makes posts hard to read.

 

[Final Incarnate]

You didnt Lyse the cells enough . next time cook the bark soup longer , bring to boil then lower heat to simmer.

 

[ijahdan]

You didnt Lyse the cells enough . next time cook the bark soup longer , bring to boil then lower heat to simmer.

If hes doing Nomans, there shouldnt be any boiling going on.


Leave the bark in the base for longer, up to a week is good, doing a pull every day or so. Pouring off the naphtha after freeze precipitating works well, most crystals will stay stuck to your jar and any floaters can be recovered later (as long as you pour the naphtha into another jar and leave to settle in the freezer again).

If you still get low yields after trying everything, it must be weak bark.

 

[Asher7]

You didnt Lyse the cells enough . next time cook the bark soup longer , bring to boil then lower heat to simmer.

Even with powdered bark?

 

[Arcturus]

Why not heat it up by putting your jar in a warm bucket of water incl the naptha, stirring it for a day in between, and replace the water 2 or 3 times so it stays warm..

 

[fathomlessness]

Could be bunk bark? Lets hope your source was reliable.

 

[Final Incarnate]

yes even with powdered bark. you need to lyse the cells thoroughly.


try q21q21 tek next time but use more liquids, enough to were u can cook the bark vinegar water soup in a stainless steel pot for least an hour, bring to boil then lower heat to simmer. then when you basify with the lime , add the bark soup to glass container and add lime, stir and double boil it, so u can continue keeping the soup hot , do that for another 45mins - hr.


freeze thaw for powder not needed for the above.

m8 of mine got 2.4% with acrb , they stopped doing pulls at 2.4% mark they still were puling spice, but was less then 80mg a pull and they called it quits .

 

[Final Incarnate]

You didnt Lyse the cells enough . next time cook the bark soup longer , bring to boil then lower heat to simmer.

Even with powdered bark?

yes, a friend of mine, done several extraction with acrb, was getting just barely 1.1%, then they decided to double the liquids and cook it in pot, and during basify keep that hot, they used q21q21 tek .

and once they did that, they got over 2.4% .

 

[Asher7]

Excuse my newbness, I'm still figuring things out. Would a way to lyse on a stb be combining your water, bark and lye and then doing the freeze/thaw 3-4 times and then on the last thaw tossing in your naptha and continuing on as usual?

I had shredded bark and thought the lye would eat it up well enough just by itself. Could I see more return if I freeze/thaw a few times?

Also, I read in a tek (can't remember which) where it was recommended as a possibility I guess that you should wrap up all your pulls in three days because dmt will start to loose it's potency if exposed to the base solution for much longer than that? I was usually just getting a little yellow oil at that point so I guess it doesn't really matter but is there any truth to that?

 

[syberdelic]

No, the lye will not destroy DMT unless the pH is too high. I have had stuff sitting in solution for a week before pulling and it was just fine.

 

[Final Incarnate]

Excuse my newbness, I'm still figuring things out. Would a way to lyse on a stb be combining your water, bark and lye and then doing the freeze/thaw 3-4 times and then on the last thaw tossing in your naptha and continuing on as usual?

I had shredded bark and thought the lye would eat it up well enough just by itself. Could I see more return if I freeze/thaw a few times?

Also, I read in a tek (can't remember which) where it was recommended as a possibility I guess that you should wrap up all your pulls in three days because dmt will start to loose it's potency if exposed to the base solution for much longer than that? I was usually just getting a little yellow oil at that point so I guess it doesn't really matter but is there any truth to that?

IF STB has acidify step, cook that step for long time hour plus, bring to boil then let simmer.
then transfer that soup to a glass container , then basify from there.

this stb tek has acid step , Step 1
Take 100gr bark and soak in 400ml vinegar for 4 days. Shake every time you come by it. add a bit(15gr) of citric acid to the seaking bark for a more yeild.

blab also has acid step, Step One
Take your gallon jug and pour 1 liter of vinegar into it (no harm in using more if needed). Then add your pound of bark. Shake this hard to get it all mixed up. Then put it somewhere and let it sit for 3 days. There is yet no evidence that letting it soak for long in vinegar before adding lye will improve yields, nobody did a side-by-side test to know for sure. It certainly wont hurt, though, so if one is not in a hurry, it's recommended.
Alternatively, you can do a normal A/B acid boiling with 4x1hr boils and filtering the plant material (check other A/B teks in the wiki for more info). Some people prefer the above simple vinegar soak as above without filtering plant material, others think its cleaner to work with filtered acidic solution from step two onwards. .

u dont need to soak for 4 days, if your using powdered or even shredded, cooking the mix will be more effective.

friends of mine doing q21q21, their first few extractions they adding boiling water like the tek says and they barely got 1.1% yield and the was some goo.

then they decided to double the liquids and cook the mix for hour, then transfered to glass container, basified, and then had the basified mix sit in double boiler for about an hour. ( lime doesnt cause that exothermogenic reaction like lye does)


their end result was over 2.4%, they stopped doing pulls coz it felt wasteful doing a pull to get less then 30-50mg vs the first few pulls were getting 500mg + a pull.

 

[DoorSeeker]

Thanks for the responses. Here is an update on changes SWIM made and a brand new solution. Results were much better for the second solution with way more lye.

First two attempts at dmt solution creation and extractions ( one bad, one good) - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[darklordsson]

So SWIM did an extraction following Noman's tek. SWIM did not do the sodium carbonate wash. SWIM followed all of his direction using 50g bark, with one change. Near the bottom he said if you use powdered root bark use 1.5x to 2x more water. So SWIM used 1300ml of water instead of 750ml. It was hard to measure because it was so little but SWIM got about a total of 30mg to 50mg of very nice crystals from 4 pulls. Last 2 yielded nothing. SWIM's theory is the dilution was unnecessary. SWIM added 75 grams of lye and is getting some snow globes peaking in his freezer from 3 more extactions. In the mean time of waiting for the freeze precipitation SWIM is starting a new batch. This time he is going to follow the ratio by Entropmancer in the "remarks" session (50g bark:750ml water:75g lye) with 100g of bark, multiplying everything by 2 of course. SWIM's thinking is a nice heavy lye beating like Entropmancer's ratio should yield better. Also, SWIM was thinking of ditching the coffee filter and just pouring off the naphtha, flipping container over, refreezing and then scrapping out after full evaporation. What do you guys think?

I know there are a lot of variables but wanted to get everyone's thoughts. Btw, SWIM is using 100% lye, distilled water with no additives and Klean Strip vm&p. Thanks in advance.

What are you extracting from? Mmhst? Acia?

 

[aruse]

try q21q21 tek next time but use more liquids, enough to were u can cook the bark vinegar water soup in a stainless steel pot for least an hour, bring to boil then lower heat to simmer. then when you basify with the lime , add the bark soup to glass container and add lime, stir and double boil it, so u can continue keeping the soup hot , do that for another 45mins - hr.

m8 of mine got 2.4% with acrb

I like q21q21 tek, but now after having done it a half dozen times i'm noticing I only got about 2% yield once, other times have been closer to 1%. I will look forward to trying this! thanks.

Question; when I add the limonene to the mix, it will still be quite liquidy, right? OR, Do I then evaporate that extra liquid in the step where it asks for the consistency to be either like tomatoe soup or oatmeal?

 

[singularitatem]

You didnt Lyse the cells enough . next time cook the bark soup longer , bring to boil then lower heat to simmer.

Even with powdered bark?

yes, a friend of mine, done several extraction with acrb, was getting just barely 1.1%, then they decided to double the liquids and cook it in pot, and during basify keep that hot, they used q21q21 tek .

and once they did that, they got over 2.4% .

thank you so much, my yields have improved dramatically x