Interesting topic with some interesting statements also but which also leads to new questions for me.
Sorry if I go off topic and spamming which seems a bad habit of me
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but I want to understand the mechanisms. Maybe it should be moved elsewhere.
This topic seems to be focussing on brewing tea and having the full cactus/alkaloid spectrum experience.
My thoughts and experience:
- They all came from probably Peruvianus from our famous friend from Peru.
- Eating powder or drinking snot gave me more nausea and bodily discomfort then extracting the crystals alkaloids from the same source while I can't remember that the experience was much different, maybe a little less drowsy.
- So I thought the nausea and discomfort which was caused by the bad taste and the amount high of stuff I had to consume which is probably hard or totally indesgestible but who knows which alkaloids or terpenes maybe where lost and which effect they have?
I like to follow An1cca's statement that I want to know how much I am taking of what. But Anc1cca is purifying and recrystalizing as much (I guess) as to be left with almost pure M, which I've read is very stimulating (being a phenylethylamine) and kind off inferiour to the full spectrum alkaloid experience. On the other hand taking higher doses of the full spectrum alkaloids also giving more unwanted side effects.
So my dream is to extract and separate the alkaloids or other "benificial" substances and put them back toghether in a certain ratio and get rid off unwanted substances so it mimics the positive effects of full experience as much as possible without the negative side effects. Of course much is not fully understanded because even if we know substances are not active by themselves(sedating/stimulating) we don't know much about synergistic effects because how they compete positive or negative for different (sub)receptors and nature is difficult to copy in a "bottle".
So probably you understand my point. If the dose(which is highly variable) and set and setting maybe plays a big part (maybe the biggest) then can we give any rationale if and why pachanoi and bridgesii feel different?
Personally I want to grow more bridgesii because I want a reliable and relatively constant/trustable source of a good M producer but then I read that people have darker experiences and more neck/back and muscle tensions which I don't want to discard totally as being the consequence of a higher dose or set and setting. But without any scientific explanation it seems totally subjective and not something that can be predicted or controlled in any way(maybe thats my problem :d ).
Wolfnippletip said full spectrum acetate? Did I miss something? It's hard to find some good info, sensitive topic maybe but I believe in sharing off scientific knowledge without being afraid that because of this some narrowminded people of the government start a witchhunt and that we can stop this by not speaking openly about this. I remember for example on the Nook(seems to be offline now for definitively? On shaman-australis you can't even talk about potency or extraction) that by gassing with HCl a sedating alkaloid (Pellotine? which is probably being benificial because I hypotosize that this makes the the experience more calm and relaxed as oppose to the "overstimulating" effects of pure M) could be separated because this sedating alkaloid fell through the filter of a Buchner while M stayed on top of it.
So what do we know? I scanned through Trout's but that it's a hard to extract some relavant information. In the cactus analysis thread a few alkaloids or substances are mentioned, a lot seem like trace amounts, on the other hand Anc1cca speaks about 60-75% of the extract being M, so almost half of it can be "other" stuff.
I understand that 3,4-DMPEA can be hard to separate but I think it can be done with solubility of different salts in different solvents(Trout) if there is any reason for it (positive or negative) other then dosing more accurate?
Ok sorry again for my rambling, i'am off, see ya
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