What are the Limits on Combos?

[Seraph]

With Drug combos they always seem to be between 2 to 5 drugs, why are there no drug combos that include many different drugs, either for a super-powerful experience or more interestingly to create an interesting unique experience by using carefully decided low amounts of various drugs. For example you could devise a drug combo to create the strongest auditory hallucinations possible and that would be the combo's main purpose.

How is this for a combo? Drugs listed in order of administration. I haven't decided on amount of time between administrations.

1. Harmine, Harmaline and THH (oral)

Wait optimum amount of time for MAOs to be inhibited, if anyone knows what the optimum time is for sure I would like to know.

2. Datura (3 seeds for nausea)
3. Bufotenine (snorted)
4. Chaliponga (oral, your MAOs should be inhibited by step 1)
5. Sinicuichi extract (oral)
6. HBWR extract (oral)
7. LSD (oral)
8. Psilocin (oral)
9. DMT (smoked)

Don't worry I'm not actually going to do that combo. Why don't people do massive combos?

 

[christian]

Probably so they can focus on the few that they take, and understand what is doing what. I mean there's nothing worse than getting A++++++, and not knowing how you got there........?????......BUT THEN AGAIN....

 

[endlessness]

I think the beginning of this thread has a relevant discussion:

pissing contest - Suggestions - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Edit: I think anybody who has been experimenting with psychedelic substances at some point will get a big ass kick for taking reckless dosages or combos. This leads one into being more respectful, or so it seems to me.

I dont think combos are necessarily bad, for example to me mushrooms + vaporized dmt is excellent. I guess there is a fine line somewhere each one has to find for themselves. Be respectful and safe, question your own intentions for it, etc.

It seems essential to me that first we consider safety when talking about combos, because when substances are added, there can be synergetic pharmacological effects, also some side effects may increase and etc.. Maybe for example lsd + bufo sounds like a lot of vasoconstriction, could be potentially harsh, or there is a discussion about possible unsafe to take 5-meo-dmt orally with harmalas (considering chaliponga has any significant amount of 5-meo in the first place) etc..

Lastly, remember that what we post effects the view of the new people. If we glorify reckless intake of drugs we will pass a message which is the opposite of what we want to transmit. So if we talk about combos its important we think very carefully how we discuss them, and pass the idea of safety well.

 

[Seraph]

I think the beginning of this thread has a relevant discussion:

pissing contest - Suggestions - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

That is not what this about, this is not a pissing contest, if someone did this they would do it on their own without announcing it to anyone, do you seriously think the person would run about shouting 'Yeah, I'M the man/woman, go me'. This thread is about curiosity as to why there are limits on combos, not about attempts to meaninglessly gain bragging rights. I never take substances with the intention of gaining bragging rights, I don't need approval from others on combos that only affect me, funnily enough.

 

[endlessness]

Im sorry how I came across. Read my edit above, I didnt mean to sound like im judging you. It was just one of the explanations why certain extreme dosages/combos are not discussed here, now I tried to expand more on what I think.

 

[jamie]

combos can be good. I find that with bufotenine the experience is much more theraputic when combined with substances that add some stimulation and mental qualities.

The most things I ever took was probly a mixture of caapi tea, bufotenine, coffee, cacao, salvia, DMT, with some other herbs to aid in the dream qualities like mugwort and sage. edit..but NOT in full doses. The dose of each of these was measured so that it would add something to the experience but not so that it would overpower the others.

I dunno about the combo posted in the origional post though..think I would have to pass on that one....

One thing that sounds interesting to me about combo's is finding a way to completely activate the right brain with psychedelics, while still keeping the left brain from being completely overridden with some sort of stimulant. Ayahuasca is interesting in this reguard since there are literally dozens of different admixtures..and often some of them are stimulants to keep people more alert durring the deeper levels of processing.

 

[dreamer042]

try combining two or three things from that list.

when one is deep into something like caapi+mushrooms+datura seeds the furthest thing from their disembodied mind is "oh maybe it would be a good idea add acid and bufo to this combo." It's usually moar along the lines of "oh shiz, I've done it now..."

Live and learn.

 

[Seraph]

You sound like you know what you're talking about Dreamer and Fractal, thanks for your comments. :d

When I snorted cebil seed extract and then sublingually took chaliponga I had no idea what was happening most of the time, I cycled back and forth across the main village where I live tripping because I didn't know what I was doing so I just went on a tour. There were so many fractals and something was causing something approaching delirium, I'm sure it was the chaliponga because the last time I sublingually took chaliponga I saw fractals which I thought were real.

When I was on my combo I saw a DMT-style entity which I actually thought was real as in real in real life for a few seconds.

 

[christian]

It's all a personal journey, and EVERY person that has replied, has valid points to make. Actually, what endlessness wrote hit the right notes with me.

-But at the end of the day, combos are still in their infancy..And in need of more of the more sensible experimentors.....

 

[polytrip]

combos can be good. I find that with bufotenine the experience is much more theraputic when combined with substances that add some stimulation and mental qualities.

The most things I ever took was probly a mixture of caapi tea, bufotenine, coffee, cacao, salvia, DMT, with some other herbs to aid in the dream qualities like mugwort and sage. edit..but NOT in full doses. The dose of each of these was measured so that it would add something to the experience but not so that it would overpower the others.

I dunno about the combo posted in the origional post though..think I would have to pass on that one....

One thing that sounds interesting to me about combo's is finding a way to completely activate the right brain with psychedelics, while still keeping the left brain from being completely overridden with some sort of stimulant. Ayahuasca is interesting in this reguard since there are literally dozens of different admixtures..and often some of them are stimulants to keep people more alert durring the deeper levels of processing.

Have you ever tried binaural beats when tripping? I must admit that everytime i was realy breaking through on a psychedelic, i just forgot to put on the headphones and give it a try. Combo's don't nessecarily need to be between mind altering CHEMICAL tools though.

 

[jamie]

yeah polytrip, brainwave syncronizers are something I am very interested in. I have been taking caapi by itself often while laying down or meditating, with headphones listeing to specifically 432 hertz. I am really interested in the schumman resonance and how it can effect me while on psychedelics..especially ayahuasca.

I plan on doing alot of experiments over the summer combining binaural beats with psychedelics. One combination that really interests me is combining ayahuasca and salvia quids with brainwave generators. "back from the void" was all about the work that was done with that combination so I really need to read that book.

Another combination that I recently found to be very very useful, is combining mapacho tobacco in very small doses with mushrooms or ayahuasca. It While nicotine is demonized and certainly addictive if used improperly I found that taking 1 single puff of mapacho just at the end of my mushroom peak last time was really surprising. It brought me back up into a peak state similar to if I had taken harmalas with it, maybe it was the harmalas in the tobacco. It seemed to bring the trip right back to the surface and at the same time awaken my brain in a way that the mushrooms alone did not do. I understand why tobacco is a huge part of indigenous use of ayahuasca, mushrooms, and peyote. I also add a very small pinch of mapacho to my ayahuasca now, so small I am not sure of its effects at all but I want to be cautious becasue I am not a habitual smoker and dont have tolerance. Tobacco in small doses is something I want to try combining with other psychedelics like bufotenine and salvinorin along with binaural beats as well.

there are others..some dangerous if you take them at full doses alone(not what I am doing) so I wont discuss them here..I have a giant herb cabinet I made a few years ago and it is literally full of stuff I have yet to try..