what did swim extract?!?

[biopsylo]

hi there,
swim has attempted a STB extraction using Naoh and hexane. swim pruned new growth (leaves and stems) off what swim believes is Acacia podalyriifolia~~rumored to have dmt in leaves and stems. a bark extraction will not be possible on these particular shrubs. swim didn't dry the material first because it was estimated by others that moisture wouldn't be a problem if adding directly to basified h2o.
400 g finely chopped material.
1 liter h20.
75g naoh
300 ml hexane
after sitting overnight in base water, swim mixed in hexane well. several hours later swim pulled and evapped in dish. swim is left with greenish sticky residue with a plesant incense like smell. --dosen't smell like spice.
any ideas as to what swim can do with this, or what sorts of other compounds could be extracted in this way?:?:
thanks much

 

[Dorge]

you really need to know what your plant is before you extract and experiment with any thing...
plants are pharmacological factories producing a host of chemicals some of which will fucking kill you.
KNOW YOUR PLANTS!
who knows how many chemicals could be extracted with this method! could be anything you have there! also plants have different alkaliods in different parts of their body... for instance there is one acacia that has VERY poisonous alkaliods in the seeds and tryptamines in the leaves i believe. So you have to be aware of what plant your working with and where the alkaliods lay. for example stem bark of MH has much lower dmt ratios then the root bark, and so on...
get a positive ID with the plant your working with. I am sure if you took a branch of it to a green house there might be some one that could tell you what it is. get good ID books as well. and learn a little botany even. because there are sublte differences between plants some times that can mean a world of difference.

good luck with that one.

 

[biopsylo]

thanks for the reply,
just a little harsh tho imo.
swim is not a complete idiot and has spent hours studying all available resources to positively id Acacia podalyriifolia. as stated before, swim believes this is what he has.
A. shulgin supposedly reports dmt in leaves of Acacia podalyriifolia. so do you want to offer any help/advise, or do you just want ot scold swim??

 

[SpasticSpaz]

You may have issues with doing an STB. Leaves of some plants have LOOOTS of oils and fats that could muck up the ol' crystallization works. If I were you, I'd do an A/B extraction instead, or,if you happpen to have a ton of hexane to waste, defat heavily before beginning.

 

[Infundibulum]

any ideas as to what swim can do with this, or what sorts of other compounds could be extracted in this way?:?:
thanks much

This extract should contain loads of fats from the plant material plus any alkaloids (should they have been present in the leaves).

This is not worth smoking in SWIM's opinion; he predicts that it will be quite harsh and pretty difficult to estimate a dosage.

What can be done is to do an A/B on this oily extract. Dissolve it in some acidic water, discard whatever that doesn't dissolve (oils, fats and other crap), defat with hexane, basify and finally extract with hexane. If SWIY's lucky, s/he'll be left with some alkaloids.

There are some ways for the kitchen chemist to guess what these alkaloids may be before smoking them and making himself a martyr for the psychedelic community. Tell SWIY to check melting and boiling temperature of the extracted alkaloids. Should they be fine, proceed with caution by smoking really small doses.

 

[antrocles]

definitely go with an A/B extraction and do a couple/few defats (preferably with Xylene). from what SWIM has read, leaves have a LOT more fat/oils/generally unusable flotsam in them. to skip a defat is to just be lazy....and that's when working with MHRB, with leaves i don't even think it's an option- DE-FAT my friend!

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!

 

[biopsylo]

thanks very much guys!
current living conditions don't lend to cooking-a/b as swim understands it.

"""Dissolve it in some acidic water, discard whatever that doesn't dissolve (oils, fats and other crap), defat with hexane, basify and finally extract with hexane. If SWIY's lucky, s/he'll be left with some alkaloids."""

pretty sure after a couple of evapps, swim says he can see crystals in the yellow gummy stuff. so are you saying i can do a simple a/b to defat?

so would swim redissolve residue in vinegar/h20--what proportions?
how do swim proceed to defat with hexane?
rebasify, and extract and evap again?
swim is assuming these will be very small amounts of solvent/naoh?
thanks for the help.

 

[Dorge]

not trying to scold, in your post you said you where not sure... just pointing out that that is dangerous thats all.

 

[Infundibulum]

pretty sure after a couple of evapps, swim says he can see crystals in the yellow gummy stuff. so are you saying i can do a simple a/b to defat?

Yes

so would swim redissolve residue in vinegar/h20--what proportions?
how do swim proceed to defat with hexane?
rebasify, and extract and evap ag]ain?
swim is assuming these will be very small amounts of solvent/naoh?
thanks for the help.

Just white vinegar will do. Mix well, try to dissolve it as much as possible.

Mix this acidic solution with hexane, discard hexane. Do this until hexane comes clear.

Then basify with whatever SWIY's base is, pull with hexane and evap it.

 

[biopsylo]

no worries LLB--and thanks for pointing out potential risks...
swim is not lazy, but just has limited resources at the moment.
and cheers Infundibulum, thanks for the chemistry help--i will give that a try.

what would a tek like this be? stb then a/b??
would you recommend this for further experiments with acacia leaves, or is there a better tek for leaves at room temp??
do you think drying the leaves completely first will make a difference?